Blu-ray finally reverses packaged media growth in Jan/Feb 2010

Icaras

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http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=4245

Again, to those who think physical media is on it's way out and blu-ray is a dying format, they couldn't be farther away from the truth. The reason why I believe physical media has declined year on year is that consumers are still in the transition phase from DVD to blu-ray. Momentum picks up more momentum and studios and tech companies will only translate statistics like these as further proof to support the format.

If this isn't proof of blu-ray's powerful resilience in the market, then I don't know what is.
 

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I think this line is interesting...

It is worth mentioning that Blu-ray sold more in these relatively slow two first months of the year than digital downloads did in the whole of 2009
So, disc based media is dead and the digital download is what going to kill it off? :rolleyes:
 

Icaras

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Hah, yea, it's just really amazing how some some believe digital downloads are killing physical media. The statistics obviously show otherwise.
 

yg17

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Good, further proof that no one wants the 720p compressed garbage Apple and others try to pass off as the thing that's going to kill Blu-Ray.
 

LethalWolfe

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Downloading and streaming is getting all the buzz but the numbers (both in terms of sales and in revenue generated) still don't compare to 'old media' sales... at least not yet.


Lethal
 

jaw04005

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The article only addresses the purchase-to-own market. I would imagine with Netflix, Blockbuster and now Wal-Mart getting in to the digital download rental game, that market will be a different story.

Right now, there’s just no real incentive whatsoever to purchase movies through iTunes or other services unless you have some hatred of physical media.

Most of the time, the Blu-ray disc is cheaper and you can always rip it and transcode it for your iPhone, iPod or Apple TV.
 

Rodimus Prime

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I do not see physical media ever being replaced big time with all the DRM crap on the digital downloads.

For example I will not by anything off of iTunes that has DRM on it because then it only works on the POS Apple TV or on my computer threw iTunes. I want to be able to put it on a flash drive plug it into lets say my 360 and watch it on my TV. That or stream it over my own network to the 360 and watch it on my TV. Even with the flash drive part I can nto put it on a flash drive and take it to a friends house and watch it.

DVD (any type) allow you to take the Movie to a friends house or easily watch it on TV.

As for physical media I do see Blu-Ray being replace in the next 10 years. Not by streaming/digital downloads but I see movies to start to be sold on flash drives.

The reasoning behind his is how quickly we see flash memory dropping in price. Flash drives have all but kills off burning CDs or even DVD for that matter because when you can go out and buy 8 gig flash drive for 20 bucks now people just load what is needed on to thoses. It is easier and quicker than burning a cd or DVD. Blu-Ray max size is 200 gigs. I see in next 0 you will easily be able to buy a 200+ gig flash drive for a few bucks so movies might just start being sold on some type of flash memory because they can put even higher quality video and sound on them than bluRay.

Just think about it. 5 years ago it was 2005. I spent 40-50 bucks buys a 256 meg flash drive for class. This year I spent 20 bucks on a 8 gig flash drive.

Got to love the good old flash drive. It it was effectually finally wiped out the floppy drive, and pretty much killed off burning a cd and getting close to wiping out burning a DVD. I know it has been years since I burned a DVD or cd on my personal computer.
 

pdjudd

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Most of the time, the Blu-ray disc is cheaper and you can always rip it and transcode it for your iPhone, iPod or Apple TV.
Almost all the blu ray discs that I see in are more expensive than DVD's. That and teh players are still too expensive.
 

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Almost all the blu ray discs that I see in are more expensive than DVD's. That and teh players are still too expensive.
We're talking about blu-ray vs. digital downloads. Of course DVDs will be cheaper, as it is the previous format. But vs. downloads, blu-ray is almost always cheaper.

And just curious, what is your definition of "too expensive"? Take a look at these prices for a general idea.

http://www.amazon.com/Blu-ray-Disc-Players-DVD-Recorders/b/ref=ce_500_blu1?ie=UTF8&node=352697011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=left-2&pf_rd_r=0T1WKFJFTSTCT8BYBZYQ&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=501766011&pf_rd_i=1266092011

Many of these players are sub $200 and some that are even in the $100-$150 range. If you ask me, these are mass market prices. Nothing that the initial DVD players didn't see in their first years of production.
 

pdjudd

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We're talking about blu-ray vs. digital downloads. Of course DVDs will be cheaper, as it is the previous format. But vs. downloads, blu-ray is almost always cheaper.
I said absolutely nothing about downloads. I was simply replying to the comment that the blu ray disc is cheaper. My experience put them much pricier in retail stores. The average price I see them at is 25 bucks each or so.

And just curious, what is your definition of "too expensive"? Take a look at these prices for a general idea.

http://www.amazon.com/Blu-ray-Disc-Players-DVD-Recorders/b/ref=ce_500_blu1?ie=UTF8&node=352697011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=left-2&pf_rd_r=0T1WKFJFTSTCT8BYBZYQ&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=501766011&pf_rd_i=1266092011

Many of these players are sub $200 and some that are even in the $100-$150 range. If you ask me, these are mass market prices. Nothing that the initial DVD players didn't see in their first years of production.
It's gotta be under a hundred bucks for mainstream brands before I consider it worth it. And the players cannot be the older models either. The prices you are quoting are close, but isn't gonna make me pull the trigger.

With Digital downloads I have the advantage of having to buy nothing new. Blu Ray isn't compelling to me right now. Of course I don't rent or buy much movies either and my TV is not going to take advantage of blu ray either so the adoption cost is higher.
 

Icaras

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I said absolutely nothing about downloads. I was simply replying to the comment that the blu ray disc is cheaper. My experience put them much pricier in retail stores. The average price I see them at is 25 bucks each or so.
No you didn't, but neither was the poster you quoted said anything about DVDs? :confused:

It's gotta be under a hundred bucks for mainstream brands before I consider it worth it. And the players cannot be the older models either. The prices you are quoting are close, but isn't gonna make me pull the trigger.
My point still stands though. DVDs went through the same process of market penetration, which also by the numbers, is actually slower than blu-ray. My first DVD player was $300 and I remember the first progressive scan players dropped at sub $1000. I remember this because I had a techy, rich friend at the time who bragged about his DVDs running in progressive scan. A fancy new term back then, but has been replaced with resolution numbers.

With Digital downloads I have the advantage of having to buy nothing new. Blu Ray isn't compelling to me right now. Of course I don't rent or buy much movies either and my TV is not going to take advantage of blu ray either so the adoption cost is higher.
You may not have nothing "new" to buy, but that doesn't mean your digital movies won't be upgradeable either. Recall Apple's upgrade to its existing music library to 256k which cost previous owners 30 cents to upgrade, sans the DRM too. I can totally see Apple pushing upgraded resolutions to users later when 1080p becomes standard. And who knows how much they will charge for that.
 

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Almost all the blu ray discs that I see in are more expensive than DVD's. That and teh players are still too expensive.
You should start shopping around. $8-$15 bucks is what I have been paying for blu-rays for the past couple of months including the month of christmas. Also the players are bottoming out at 99 bucks now. You can find them day in and day out prices of 150. Sure this is a little more then MOST dvd players. But if you want a decent dvd player you will pay almost that much.

I don't buy blu-rays the week they come out unless it is one I just have to have now! Which isn't very much. I am also not double dipping with blu-ray. If I have it on dvd I don't re-purshase.

Of course what was nice was the hayday of dvd when you could get some truly killer deals. I haven't seen that yet for blu-ray. But I can get disks for pretty darn cheap. Also if you shop around you can get them sometimes cheaper then their dvd counterparts.

I have said it from the start downloads will not take out blu-ray or dvd anytime soon. There is not enough bandwidth and people still want to have the physical media in their hands.
 

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Here's the critical thing: Blu-ray players are now dirt-cheap--you can get a Panasonic or Sony player for under US$160 easily nowadays. And the cost of new Blu-ray releases are not much more than new DVD releases.
 

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You do know that commercial content on Blu-ray disc is, for the most part, DRMed, don't you?
As is DVD.....via DMCA

Th point is you can't transport a digital dl as easily as you can bring a disc

I have been paying 10-20 for most of my Blu-rays. Most, if not of all Blu-ray new releases are the same price as their DVD counterparts
 

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One has to wonder what the Blu Ray market would look like if not for the Playstation 3.

I don't own a Blu Ray player, even though I'm exactly the kind of person who would buy one. The problem right now is that Blu Ray provides a hugely inconsistent experience, depending on which player you get. Not all players currently on retail shelves can play all disc, or all content on all discs. Some players have to have firmware updates applied, which requires a computer and a flash drive, or maybe the player has an Ethernet port, or maybe you have to get a disc from the manufacturer. Some players have complex user interfaces with tons of non-Blu-Ray-related features like Web browsers and whatnot; others don't. If you want a Blu Ray player that just plays discs, in other words one that's identical to a typical DVD player except high-definition, you have to actively search for one. And you're not guaranteed to find it.

Right now, Blu Ray is struggling because people dislike the impression that they're paying for something they don't need. HD itself was a bit of a struggle; people saw it as the invention of some shadowy conglomerate who wanted the public to buy their TVs and assorted products all over again. That's mostly over now, and generally people agree that HD really is worth having, but most people (I'm talking average adults here, not nerds) don't care about watching Internet videos on their televisions. They see Blu Ray players that have all these additional bells and whistles, and resent the fact that they're being "forced" to pay for features they won't use, because players without those features are harder to find.

At the other end of the spectrum, you have the Playstation 3, which people who play video games bought because they wanted to play video games. The fact that it had a Blu Ray player in it was no big deal; that's just the format Sony chose to package games for that system.

Long story short, now there's this small but significant installed base of Playstation 3s out there, and people who probably neither needed nor wanted a Blu Ray player find that they have one. So they start buying discs.

I've been asking around, among the people I know who are into this kind of thing, to find out what the consensus is for the best Blu Ray player on the market today. You know what the answer is? The Playstation 3. It's almost universal; that's the one to buy.

I knew what I thought about that, but to see if it was just me I asked other people who also don't own Blu Ray players yet. They all said the same thing: "Of course I wouldn't buy a Playstation 3 to watch movies on. I don't play video games, why would I spend money on something I don't want just to use only a part of it?"

Which is exactly how I felt. So while this is all anecdotal and totally non-scientific, it looks to me like the Blu Ray market is in an ugly place right now. Nobody actually wants to buy what they're being sold. People who want to replace DVD players with Blu Ray players want DVD-only-in-high-def. That's hard to find, because these devices have all this other junk attached, junk you have to pay for. It raises the question: If a Blu Ray player with Netflix and Youtube and a USB port and Netcast and Cinemanow and TrueHD sound and BD Live and Media Host and Express Reaction Startup (whatever that is) costs $250, shouldn't a Blu Ray player without all that junk cost about … $11.50? Screw it, they say. I'll stick with DVD.
 

yg17

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Almost all the blu ray discs that I see in are more expensive than DVD's. That and teh players are still too expensive.
A Blu Ray player is cheaper than an Apple TV that you would have to buy if you want to rent Apple's compressed garbage from iTunes and watch it on your TV.

That is another point. My DVD player still works perfectly and I am hesitant to replace something that works perfectly fine.
It's called upgrading. People do it all the time. I'm sure you have bought a new computer when your old one still worked perfectly, or traded in your car for a new one even though the old one was still running.

You do know that commercial content on Blu-ray disc is, for the most part, DRMed, don't you?
But if a friend of mine wants to borrow a Blu Ray from me, they can. Can't do that with digital downloads.

Here's the critical thing: Blu-ray players are now dirt-cheap--you can get a Panasonic or Sony player for under US$160 easily nowadays. And the cost of new Blu-ray releases are not much more than new DVD releases.
I was in Costco yesterday and they had a Sony player for $130. It made me cringe when I think about what I paid for mine.

I don't own a Blu Ray player, even though I'm exactly the kind of person who would buy one. The problem right now is that Blu Ray provides a hugely inconsistent experience, depending on which player you get. Not all players currently on retail shelves can play all disc, or all content on all discs. Some players have to have firmware updates applied, which requires a computer and a flash drive, or maybe the player has an Ethernet port, or maybe you have to get a disc from the manufacturer. Some players have complex user interfaces with tons of non-Blu-Ray-related features like Web browsers and whatnot; others don't. If you want a Blu Ray player that just plays discs, in other words one that's identical to a typical DVD player except high-definition, you have to actively search for one. And you're not guaranteed to find it.
I have a 2 year old Blu Ray player, have rented many discs from Netflix, and it has never had a problem playing any of them.
 

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Here's the critical thing: Blu-ray players are now dirt-cheap--you can get a Panasonic or Sony player for under US$160 easily nowadays. And the cost of new Blu-ray releases are not much more than new DVD releases.
I was in Costco yesterday and they had a Sony player for $130. It made me cringe when I think about what I paid for mine.
Heh. $62 will get you a BluRay drive for your computer. NewEgg used to have them for $50 but they raised the price twelve dollars. I'm still waiting for it to go back down. :cool: $60 on TigerDirect.

On another note, Redbox offers BluRay.
 

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Many of us need to double up on things in this, the age of recession.
Having a big 27" iMac that could play Blu-Ray or, even just a laptop that could play Blu-Ray would be a phenomenal advantage, instead of sinking an additional $130 on a player and god only knows how much on either an HDTV or a series of cables and converters to hook up a Blu-Ray player to an iMac.

There are some wonderful movies out right now, and movies that are going to be coming out soon, and I'm tired of realizing that I'm going to have to buy two copies... an el-cheapo copy of the dvd for the short run, so I can watch it in the mean time, and then a Blu-Ray down the road.

Get with the program, Apple. Anal retentive Steve Jobs is whining about nothing. Blu-Ray isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
 

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..., and I'm tired of realizing that I'm going to have to buy two copies... an el-cheapo copy of the dvd for the short run, so I can watch it in the mean time, and then a Blu-Ray down the road.

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Huh? I'm not following you. You do understand that Blu-ray players are designed to play DVDs, don't you? Is there some law which I don't know about that forces people to buy Blu-ray copies of movies that they already own? Are your DVDs going to suddenly stop working? Inquiring minds want to know.
 

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Huh? I'm not following you. You do understand that Blu-ray players are designed to play DVDs, don't you? Is there some law which I don't know about that forces people to buy Blu-ray copies of movies that they already own? Are your DVDs going to suddenly stop working? Inquiring minds want to know.
I think he was talking about buying DVD's now before he has a Blu-Ray player, and then having to repurchase when he upgraded.