Breaking.. Alabama Lawmakers Vote to Effectively Ban Abortion in the State

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  1. samcraig macrumors P6

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    In almost every case

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/14/us/abortion-law-alabama.html

    MONTGOMERY, Ala. — The Alabama Senate approved a measure on Tuesday that would outlaw almost all abortions in the state, setting up a direct challenge to Roe v. Wade, the case that recognized a woman’s constitutional right to end a pregnancy.

    The legislation bans abortions at every stage of pregnancy and criminalizes the procedure for doctors, who could be charged with felonies and face up to 99 years in prison. It includes an exception for cases when the mother’s life is at serious risk, but not for cases of rape or incest — a subject of fierce debate among lawmakers in recent days.
     
  2. raqball macrumors 68000

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    Good! I hope it sticks but doubt it will...... Now I do think they should have accounted for rape and incest but since I doubt this will stand, it really does not matter....
     
  3. theapplehead macrumors 6502

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    It should’ve definitely provided some type of exception for rape. I wouldn’t be surprised if this bill is overturned shortly because of that omission.
     
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    The social stigma and laws like this will not prevent someone from having an abortion, just as banning certain drugs doesn't prevent drug abuse. What is needed is education, counseling, etc. Talk is cheap, action is important, and they'll ban abortion, but will they offer support for poor single mothers? And before I get the "it's her responsibility" argument, I'm not talking about lazy people who don't want to work. What about someone who has a catastrophic medical scare? A sudden death of a spouse and provider....
     
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    When things done in the gov't under philosophical or religious reasoning, concern for the individual often isn't that important. As you've seen from some here, the use of exceptions, is often done to make such laws more palatable to the public.
     
  6. Rogifan macrumors Core

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    They’re doing this because they want it to go to the Supreme Court. But the Supreme Court won’t do anything before the 2020 election.
     
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    Welcome back to the 70’s Alabama lol, Christ on a bike!
     
  9. metalsiren macrumors 6502

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    yea this is kind of nuts . and no exception for rape???? r u ****ing kidding me??

    I know there are 2 lines pro-choice and pro-life but both of them force issues on the other. they need to develop some kind of artificial womb that can take a fetus and grow it to term. that way if the woman doesn't want to carry the child, they can remove it and put it into the artificial womb to gown . that way the woman doesnt have to carry the child they dont want and the child can still be born. but I am prob just nuts
     
  10. cube macrumors P6

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    Is the US becoming even more strict than Latin America?
     
  11. colourfastt macrumors 6502a

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    In the case of Alabama it's more like the 1870s.
     
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    BC.
     
  13. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    All they are doing is making abortion much more dangerous for those in Alabama.
     
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    Yes, forcing choice. How absurd right? Letting women control their own bodies based on their own beliefs. Pretty soon we'll be letting them vote and drive.
     
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    People out there looking to a perfect solution to the abortion issue.

    It's just not going to happen.
     
  16. sim667 macrumors 65816

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    Gun nuts just want more targets to shoot at in schools :(
     
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    MSNBC legal analyst Danny Cevallos said there is a “very good chance” Roe v. Wade will be overturned if challenged in the Supreme Court, after the Alabama Senate passing a near-total ban on abortion.

    “There is a very good chance if this makes it to the Supreme Court that Roe v. Wade will be overturned,” Cevallos said on Morning Joe Wednesday. “Because we have known since the ‘70s that Roe v. Wade stands on a weak foundational basis. Whether you’re pro-life or pro-choice, Roe v. Wade is really about, do we have an individual, fundamental — do women have a privacy right in the Constitution that overrides state legislatures’ abilities to make laws affecting abortion.”

    “The bottom line is, that even if you are pro-choice, the right to privacy does not exist, either in the history or the text of the Constitution, which is why Roe has always been ripe to be overturned,” he said.

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbc-l...-be-overturned/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
     
  18. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    In this case - it's not about the constitution. It's about a fundamental right as a human being to have control over their own body.
     
  19. DearthnVader macrumors 6502a

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    Government already limits what we can do with our bodies, it's an overall sad state of affairs.

    The very basis of a free society is that of adult informed consent.
     
  20. yaxomoxay macrumors 68040

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    Problem is, does the fetus have control over his/her own body?
    Personally - despite being pro lifer on a philosophical level - I would've left the exceptions for rape and incest.
     
  21. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    I am pro choice because I do not think it's my place to judge women (and their partners) when it comes to a decision over whether or not to have an abortion. There are many other instances besides rape and incest where an abortion is the most logical and also HUMANE response.

    Anecdotal and I don't state that it's a majority - but I read a story about a woman who at 20 weeks found out that her unborn child had thanataphoric dysplasia. As per her blog, "Anatomically speaking, his rib cage was too small and his lungs severely underdeveloped among a slew of other issues. The doctor explained there was no grey area here, it was one of the most black and white cases of a fatal fetal anomaly that she had ever seen. As long as he was inside me he would probably survive, but death was nearly guaranteed during childbirth if not shortly after. The thought of carrying my son, that I wanted more than anything, to term so that he could suffocate at birth was debilitating. My husband and I made an impossible decision to terminate the pregnancy and protect our son from a painful death."

    The Alabama law (if I understand correctly) is about whether or not the Mother's life is as risk - not the child's.
     
  22. Rogifan macrumors Core

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    Yes it is. States are passing these laws with the hope that the end result is getting Roe overturned.

    Meanwhile Alyssa Milano is tripling down on her absurdity now claiming abortion is birth control.

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    Hey Alyssa - everyone has the right to chose their own destiny, they have a right to not get pregnant.
     
  23. linuxcooldude macrumors 68020

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    It's not about controlling their own bodies, but controlling what others do to someone else's body, doctors.

    Very true. California and other states are limiting food choices to control obesity.
     
  24. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    She's fringe. And I don't know if she's referencing abortion here or that states/federal are also trying to defund planned parenthood. Either way - I wouldn't trot her out as the leader or example of how most people feel.
     

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