Breaking - Trump Instructs McGahn to Defy Subpoena and Skip House Testimony

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  1. samcraig macrumors P6

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/20/us/politics/mcgahn-trump-congress.html

    Obstruction/Intimidation. This puts McGahn in a pretty tight spot.

    The committee’s chairman, Representative Jerrold Nadler of New York, said last week that he was prepared to have his panel vote to hold Mr. McGahn in contempt of Congress if he does not show up on Tuesday. Though a black mark on a witness’s record, a contempt citation would most likely result in the House turning to a federal court to try to enforce its subpoena.

    At the same time, if he defies the White House, Mr. McGahn could not only damage his own career in Republican politics but also put his law firm, Jones Day, at risk of having the president urge his allies to withhold their business. The firm’s Washington practice is closely affiliated with the party.
     
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    Trump Counters Obstruction Inquiry by Obstructing; Supporters Issue “Durt da Dur” in Solidarity
     
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    Conspiring to defy a federal subpeona is a felony. The FBI should be swarming the White House right now so they can arrest trump.
     
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    1. Has Nadler pursued gaining access and looking at the original testimony?
    2. Does Executive Privilege cover this? (please leave off the " he already waived it ")
    3. Exactly what is Nadler looking for here? ( he has 30+ hours of testimony he could look to gain access to and hasn't even tried )
    This looks more like another Nadler political ploy.
     
  5. raqball macrumors 68000

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    Nope, nope and nope...

    https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000016a-d6b3-d399-afef-deb38ac30002
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    It could apply but immunity from testimony also applies per DOJ memo listed above.

    More hoop and mirrors from Nadler... The dude is a clown..
     
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    I guess we'll find out when/if this goes to federal court.
     
  7. raqball macrumors 68000

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    Agree..... But the practice of testimonial immunity has been in place since the 1970's.
     
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    I am starting to wonder if it ever would / will...
    I am not seeing the end game here with Nadler. It isn't commencing impeachment proceedings. He could have already started that. It isn't Trump 2020. This looks more like it will help Trump and hurt the Dems. Maybe something to do with the OIG/Durham investigations? Not really seeing that either. Maybe Nadler is being used to front this?
     
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    He wants to rule like all other communist dictators rule.
     
  10. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    Or occam's razor.. He's interested in getting to the truth
     
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    My guess is that it's a trial balloon. Like most politicians, they'll say/do something and then see what the optics are before proceeding. In this case, Nadler throws out a statement, and then sees how the public reacts. That's just my opinion.
     
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    If that was true he would be pursuing all avenues. He isn't.
     
  13. samcraig, May 20, 2019
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    If he was doing that, you and others would be complaining about over reach or too many investigations lol

    Trump's lawyer provided some of the most damning info.
     
  14. raqball macrumors 68000

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    Looks like he was a no show this morning... Nadler making more threats....
     
  15. Rhonindk macrumors 68040

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    Why?
    Nadler has the ability, via court, to gain access to the unredacted report and all other documentation. As far as I know he has not even tried to do that. I am seeing more game playing from Nadler than actual investigative process.

    Political theater.
     
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    Or... Nadler is taking necessary steps and you're jumping to an unsupported conclusion. Nadler believes that the House needs to show that they exhausted other ways to obtain the report before taking it to court.
     
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    Not seeing your point.
    At this stage to access the current report and supporting documentation I am not aware of another avenue open to the JC that does not end up in front of a judge.
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    Looks like the OLC sided with McGahn not appearing.
     
  18. BaldiMac macrumors 604

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    So because you're not aware of Nadler's strategy, you believe Nadler is making the wrong decision? Personally, I'd like to know the reasons behind Nadler's strategy before coming to a conclusion.
     
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    Is John Yoo the final word on torture? Of course they sided with Trump. That's what they're paid to do.
     
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    I think political theater is the wrong direction. This is pretty much all we have heard from Nadler; theater.

    JMO YOMV
     
  21. BaldiMac macrumors 604

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    That's certainly an opinion. But it seems based more on partisanship than any facts.
     
  22. Rhonindk macrumors 68040

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    Okaaaayyyyyy....
    Not sure where you are coming from on this.
    and no, that is not the job of the OLC.
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    Not seeing how you are coming up with that however that is your opinion.
     
  23. BaldiMac macrumors 604

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    Simple. You don't know why he's doing what it's doing, so you are jumping to a conclusion consistent with the propaganda of the Republican party.
     
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    Please state, *in your own words* the purpose of the OLC.
     

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