Breaking: Vote on AHCA/repeal of Obamacare postponed

MadeTheSwitch

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Well right out of the gate a failure for Paul Ryan and Trump. The votes apparently are not there contrary to Sean Spicer saying they were getting more and more votes this morning. Word is they were actually getting less and less from all the reports I've seen today.

Totally inept and incompetent. Paul Ryan is in over his head.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/scheduled-health-care-vote-looms-house-gop-remains-short-support-n737491

So much for the symbolic repeal on the anniversary of Obamacare signing. Happy birthday Obamacare. What a great present you got. :D
 

chiefsilverback

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You couldn't make it up could you? Trump promises 'better, cheaper healthcare for all' during the campaign, and ends up alienating the moderates in his party by trying to appease the conservatives who want poor people to go away and die quietly!

Trying to take an impartial view for a moment, I have never really understood what system it is that 'true republicans/conservatives' actually want?
 

edk99

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Just like ObamaCare the votes were not there at first. Just like before, a little back room dealings and arm twisting they will get there.
 

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Poor Republicans, they don't have a Democrat in the whitehouse anymore to allow them to make symbolic votes that they know will mean nothing. Now they have to actually accept responsibility for their actions so they don't want to vote away people's health insurance.
 

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Just like ObamaCare the votes were not there at first. Just like before, a little back room dealings and arm twisting they will get there.
I don't think they will be able to do it with just Republican votes. They need the far right to go along in order to have the votes there to pass it, but anything that will get them onboard will alienate the moderates.

If they want to pass something they will need to actually improve on the ACA instead of gutting it.
 

MadeTheSwitch

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Just like ObamaCare the votes were not there at first. Just like before, a little back room dealings and arm twisting they will get there.
They have had months to do that. Where have they been? What have they been doing?

The competent thing to do is work on a plan for 7 YEARS, get everyone's concerns addressed in all that time, spend the last few months putting the last few very minor touches on it, have an easy vote.

Instead they scheduled a vote first, tried to jump through hoops placating everyone at the last minute, and didn't have the numbers. That's not the way to do things.

Supposedly they have now scheduled the vote for tomorrow. We shall see. I am not sure what will change between now and then though to make the numbers change.
 

bradl

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Just like ObamaCare the votes were not there at first. Just like before, a little back room dealings and arm twisting they will get there.
So they are willing to spite their constituents - who to date have been very VERY vocal about losing their insurance coverage - just to prove a point with their party line and fulfill a campaign promise? Party politics over the voices of their employer (the people)?

This would not be a good look for them coming up to midterms, for as everyone has seen, anger will not be forgotten during election periods.

BL.
 

forcesteeler

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Poor Republicans, they don't have a Democrat in the whitehouse anymore to allow them to make symbolic votes that they know will mean nothing. Now they have to actually accept responsibility for their actions so they don't want to vote away people's health insurance.
You can't blame the far right they are funded by the Koch Brothers, They took Millions of Dollars from them over the course of 7 Years promising they would fully repeal Obama Care. But they are stuck between a hard rock.

They know if they fully repeal ObamaCare Millions will lose there insurance, Especially in these poor red states that voted for trump. They know if they don't fully repeal ObamaCare, They will piss off the Koch Brothers.

A Full Repeal Will Give about 600 Billion Dollars of Taxes, Remember Obamacare is funded by taxing the Rich, And These Billioniares hate the extra 1-2 million they have to pay in taxes. and also they want to do tax reform so they can lower the tax rates to 15-20%.

So its a hard decision? Do you piss off the Koch Brothers or Your Base that is going to vote in 2018?
 

bradl

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You can't blame the far right they are funded by the Koch Brothers, They took Millions of Dollars from them over the course of 7 Years promising they would fully repeal Obama Care. But they are stuck between a hard rock.

They know if they fully repeal ObamaCare Millions will lose there insurance, Especially in these poor red states that voted for trump. They know if they don't fully repeal ObamaCare, They will piss off the Koch Brothers.

A Full Repeal Will Give about 600 Billion Dollars of Taxes, Remember Obamacare is funded by taxing the Rich, And These Billioniares hate the extra 1-2 million they have to pay in taxes. and also they want to do tax reform so they can lower the tax rates to 15-20%.

So its a hard decision? Do you piss off the Koch Brothers or Your Base that is going to vote in 2018?
No.

It's much worse than that. Read up on the Mercers and their ties to the organization that they founded with Steve Bannon to feed what really would be fake news to media outlets such as Breitbart, the Blaze, and National Review. From a political perspective, they make the Kochs appear closer to Soros.

Again, with their own media outlet sitting in the White House, there is no way this administration can do anything with impartiality, let alone disavow any ethical dilemma.

BL.
 

citizenzen

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Just like ObamaCare the votes were not there at first. Just like before, a little back room dealings and arm twisting they will get there.
It's been too long for me to remember, but do you recall if they ever scheduled to vote on the ACA bill and then postponed the House vote because there wasn't enough support to pass it?

If I were a betting man, I'd bet that didn't happen.
 

samcraig

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They have had months to do that. Where have they been? What have they been doing?

The competent thing to do is work on a plan for 7 YEARS, get everyone's concerns addressed in all that time, spend the last few months putting the last few very minor touches on it, have an easy vote.

Instead they scheduled a vote first, tried to jump through hoops placating everyone at the last minute, and didn't have the numbers. That's not the way to do things.

Supposedly they have now scheduled the vote for tomorrow. We shall see. I am not sure what will change between now and then though to make the numbers change.
Exactly this.

Even before there was a new President - if the Repubs didn't like the ACA - they could have been working on a solution which they could polish once they had a POTUS on their side. Instead they seemingly sat around twiddling their thumbs and condemning the ACA but doing zero about it. And then they expect to spend a month or two whipping up something?

It's like a kid who has an entire year to write a research paper but leaves it to the last few days and then is shocked when it doesn't get a good grade.
 

LizKat

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Do you piss off the Koch Brothers or Your Base that is going to vote in 2018?
The GOP wants to widen its majority in the Senate in 2018. Whatever it takes. So... they'll phone the bros and explain that they gotta do what they gotta do to keep the votes on board until after that election. It probably won't work, and they probably know that, and so do the Kochs. How do you reconcile factions of a party that disagree on the fundamental ideas of healthcare, including the basic idea that there should be any government participation at all?

Of course they had 7 years to work on a replacement if they actually ever meant to have a replacement. Clearly, they did not. Which is a message in itself for the midterms, if one cares to consider it in the harsh light of day that the pre-2016 election season apparently did not shed upon this issue. The American people don't want healthcare ditched. They want it to work and cover everyone. That requires --has always required-- more from the House of Representatives than voting to repeal ACA. And it has always required more of all the American people too.
 

MadeTheSwitch

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Exactly this.

Even before there was a new President - if the Repubs didn't like the ACA - they could have been working on a solution which they could polish once they had a POTUS on their side. Instead they seemingly sat around twiddling their thumbs and condemning the ACA but doing zero about it. And then they expect to spend a month or two whipping up something?

It's like a kid who has an entire year to write a research paper but leaves it to the last few days and then is shocked when it doesn't get a good grade.
Even worse, it seems like the schedule to vote today was arbitrary and just done out of snarkiness so they could repeal Obamacare on the date it was signed into law.

I'm sorry....snark is not the way to govern and set schedules. It's immature. All the antics up there on the hill remind me of a bunch of teens running around in high school playing games, not adults who should know better.
 

Populism

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If Republicans want to see the end of Obamacare, and if they are smart, they will do...

nothing.

Obamacare is dead dead dead on its own, without anyone touching it.

If Democrats are wise, they will continue to prod Republicans to make good on the repeal mandate.

The worst thing that can happen to Democrats is for Republicans to say, "Screw it. Let's leave Obamacare alone, and in a year, when it is fully collapsed, we'll build a new system."
 

samcraig

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If Republicans want to see the end of Obamacare, and if they are smart, they will do...

nothing.

Obamacare is dead dead dead on its own, without anyone touching it.

If Democrats are wise, they will continue to prod Republicans to make good on the repeal mandate.

The worst thing that can happen to Democrats is for Republicans to say, "Screw it. Let's leave Obamacare alone, and in a year, when it is fully collapsed, we'll build a new system."
Maybe. It could also backfire to epic proportions when those that voted for Trump (and down ballot) because he said he could fix it vote during mid-terms.
 
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jkcerda

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If Republicans want to see the end of Obamacare, and if they are smart, they will do...

nothing.

Obamacare is dead dead dead on its own, without anyone touching it.

If Democrats are wise, they will continue to prod Republicans to make good on the repeal mandate.

The worst thing that can happen to Democrats is for Republicans to say, "Screw it. Let's leave Obamacare alone, and in a year, when it is fully collapsed, we'll build a new system."
Republicans are seemingly too stupid to do anything..
 

citizenzen

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If Republicans want to see the end of Obamacare, and if they are smart, they will do...

nothing.

Obamacare is dead dead dead on its own, without anyone touching it.

If Democrats are wise, they will continue to prod Republicans to make good on the repeal mandate.

The worst thing that can happen to Democrats is for Republicans to say, "Screw it. Let's leave Obamacare alone, and in a year, when it is fully collapsed, we'll build a new system."
How is it smart to do nothing? I would just point to deliberate moves that Republicans made to cripple Obamacare, and refusal to address any ways to fix it. How does malicious neglect make Republicans look good?