Brexit The Movie

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  1. thewap macrumors demi-god

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    The promises of the EU and the enrichment of the unelected anti democracy bureaucrats.
    This is a window giving insight into the EU influenced Trans Pacific Partnership globalism that Obama is trying to shove down our throats..

     
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    Last time I'd checked, two things are of interest about this TPP:


    1. CEOs like Apple's own Tim Cook seemed to be in full favor of it so it's not just Obama... now has he openly said why or are media sources and peanut gallery folks like us left to guess and make (often incorrect) assumptions?
    2. Numerous sources were saying he was in agreement with the GOP or how the GOP was in agreement with him. So it's not just Obama...

    So it honestly can't be a bad thing of so many support it.
     
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    Did you watch the movie? - probably not.

    Of course it is not a bad thing for the corporate bureaucrats in the US who are enjoying the un-democratic EU where they also do business, where not one bureaucrat is accountable for anything and live in riches off the people's taxes. You don't elect them, nor can you un-elect them. The people cannot vote against EU rules and laws, and the EU can impose any law regulating and taxing every aspect of the people's lives.

    Of course big corps love the EU where thousands of regulations benefit them and destroy small businesses. For Apple, the EU is Technocracy at it's best. What's better?, the people can't do anything about it.

    If you support giving total power to bureaucrats, well then you do not believe in the people's rights, democracy, or America.
     
  4. zin macrumors 6502

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    Last I checked the EU holds direct elections for its MEPs with other institutions being filled by national government representatives (which you elect in domestic elections). The European Parliament has final authority on approving the Commission and can force it to resign at any time.

    You don't like it? Elect a Eurosceptic MEP. That is by definition democracy. It's not a domestic institution, either, it's a pan-European institution that we voluntarily joined and will decide whether to remain within next month. One country doesn't get to dictate the agenda of the Union. If "the people" collectively held your opinion then the European Parliament would be doing something about it.

    Your rhetoric is greatly exaggerated.
     
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    I think you are confused with your "democratic" example of your pan -european institution of corporate buraucrats.
    Such "unions" should not dictate their agenda to sovereign nations without any mechanisms for "we the people" of any nation to have a choice in the "union's" agendas.

    If any of your "we the people" collectively held brexit's opinion, the EU parliament does not have to do anything about it, nor can "we the people" un-elect the unelected bureaucrats out of their positions no matter what the opposition.

    National govt representatives electing MEP's, is akin to lobbies electing presidents. Oh and how many "presidents does the EU have-4? By the time one gets to the bottomless pit of regulations, procedures, and official/unofficial "authorities", where exactely do "we the people" fit into having a say in anything? - LOL

    Thats not democracy, it's corporate bureaucracy.
     
  6. zin macrumors 6502

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    You do have a choice. Vote for a different MEP and vote leave next month. I think you're confusing "the people" with "a minority of the people".

    Isn't every country run the same way? You can elect people who have the final say but day-to-day decisions are made by bureaucrats. You don't elect the Secretary of Agriculture in the U.S. anymore than you'd elect a European Commissioner. In both cases the legislature has the say on approving the cabinet.

    What more do you want?
     
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    To change it, and we "the little people" can vote those reps out.

    --- Post Merged, May 21, 2016 ---
    Brexit is a one time vote, which I understand cannot be repeated in the future.
     
  8. zin macrumors 6502

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    Of course it can. If people want another then there'll be another. The difference is this is a once-in-generation thing. You can't just hold a new referendum every year on stuff like this. Either you are in the Union and agree to its working principles, in which case you accept the EU's jurisdiction over certain areas, or you are out, in which case vote out.

    You can't say people aren't being given a choice. They elect the European Parliament every five years and will decide whether to leave completely next month. That's huge choice.
     
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    The little people have no choice in electing anyone, the govts send their reps to elect the EP reps.
    The original idea (propaganda) was that the EU was a trade agreement - NOT an out of control globalist "parliament" that imposes jurisdiction over every aspect of people's lives, or forces policies against sovereign people's wishes, including immigration, or creating a "world army", nor forcing nations to war as a "union".

    Nations should be able to hold a referendum every 4-5 years - not "every generation" -
     
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    Do you have something against the New World Order?
     
  11. zin macrumors 6502

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    Huh? MEPs are DIRECTLY elected by the people of Europe. They aren't sent by national governments.

    It's hardly out-of-control when it is managed by the nations of Europe. It has competencies and other nations have agreed to voluntarily delegate responsibility over those things to the European institutions. There are many things that the EU cannot even act with regard because it does not have the authority to do so.

    All of these things are laid out clearly in the European treaties. If you don't want to be in then vote for an MEP that shares that view and vote to leave next month. How is that not a choice?

    The reason you should not be holding a referendum every five years is because being a member of the Union carries more weight than voting on smaller matters. You can't just be in one year then out the next year. It's a long-term thing. Regardless, nothing is preventing you from having a referendum every five years if you want one. Just vote for a party that will give you that. Again, how can you say you don't have any choice? Just because other people don't vote for these things doesn't mean you've been deprived of your right to choose.
     
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    The EU in its current state is a disaster of historical proportions and everybody with half a brain left knows it.
     
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    Political parties and the multitudes of differing electorate systems voting for reps to a parliament that has basically the only power to bitch and process more laws. Who is accountable for anything the EU does within it's miriad of institutions? Hint : the EU is a system of unaccountability designed to favor corporate bureaucrats and the unelected governing bodies of it's system. Basically a cluster f..k designed to superceded all countries democracies, and the little guys and little businesses that cannot compete in the thousands of regulations .


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    European Council
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    European Parliament
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    European Commission
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    • acts together with the Council as a legislature
    • shares with the Council the budgetary power and decides in the last instance on the budget
    • exerts the democratic control over the institutions including the European Commission and approves the Commission members
    • based in and plenary sessions in Strasbourg, primarily meets in Brussels
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    Court of Justice of the European Union
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    European Central Bank
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    European Court of Auditors
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    • ensures the uniform application and interpretation of European law
    • has the power to decide legal disputes between member states, the institutions, businesses and individuals
    • based in Luxembourg
     

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