British police are now carrying firearms?!?!

lostngone

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How can this be? On an island where gun laws are so strict why would the police need to carry sidearms???

Can a citizen of the U.K. even legally own/keep a handgun in their home?

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28656324

"In a little-noticed move, a small number of police officers are now routinely carrying sidearms while on patrol in parts of the mainland UK. How did this come about, and does it alter the relationship between the constabulary and the public?"
 

zin

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It is shameful that you chose to quote the part of the article that only supports your view. Later in the same article it clarifies the part you quoted:

Police Scotland, the single Scotland-wide force, says when specialist officers are not deployed on active firearms duty, it is expected that they carry out normal policing duties while carrying their sidearms. It says it is not the first force in the UK to routinely arm officers, and that 42 forces in England and Wales "carry the same standing authority and deploy similarly".
I also live in the UK so I am qualified to make objective observations. Each police force in England & Wales (as well as Scotland's national force) has its own small armed officers division that they can call upon at any time. These officers don't simply sit at Police HQ waiting for calls, and the article is right. They are normally out and about performing regular patrols. Quite frankly I see no issue with them carrying their firearms whilst they do this, as this in no way implies that an entire police force will be armed.

The title of this thread is also grossly misrepresenting what has happened and you should request that a moderator change it. Your post and title imply that British police officers are being armed and patrols are now routinely carrying firearms. This is false, a fact which is even stated in the very article you sourced (bold emphasis added by me):

Police Scotland insists that it is a long way from routinely arming those who serve in it. There has been no increase in the number of armed personnel. Out of 17,318 Scottish officers, only 275 routinely carry guns while on duty - 1.6% of the total. Because they work shifts, a much smaller number will be on duty at any one time.
It is purely a coincidence that somebody managed to photograph an armed patrol that just so happened to be on normal duty at the time and doesn't at all represent the norm.

In addition, armed police officers are not only needed to combat (fire)armed criminals (there are very few of them in the UK). Armed divisions are also dispatched for those carrying other dangerous weapons such as chainsaws or machetes, so not everything is a matter of 'guns or no guns'.

The article even mentions that an overwhelmingly majority of police officers do not want to routinely carry firearms, despite some being involved in potentially life-threatening situations.

So what exactly is the point of this thread if everything you wrote is purposely misrepresenting and only intended to score 'pro/anti gun points'?
 

Happybunny

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How can this be? On an island where gun laws are so strict why would the police need to carry sidearms???

Can a citizen of the U.K. even legally own/keep a handgun in their home?

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28656324

"In a little-noticed move, a small number of police officers are now routinely carrying sidearms while on patrol in parts of the mainland UK. How did this come about, and does it alter the relationship between the constabulary and the public?"
Before you posted that article, did you even bother to read it.

It clearly stated that the general population and the majority of police officers didn't like the idea.
 

jkcerda

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It is shameful that you chose to quote the part of the article that only supports your view. Later in the same article it clarifies the part you quoted:



I also live in the UK so I am qualified to make objective observations. Each police force in England & Wales (as well as Scotland's national force) has its own small armed officers division that they can call upon at any time. These officers don't simply sit at Police HQ waiting for calls, and the article is right. They are normally out and about performing regular patrols. Quite frankly I see no issue with them carrying their firearms whilst they do this, as this in no way implies that an entire police force will be armed.

The title of this thread is also grossly misrepresenting what has happened and you should request that a moderator change it. Your post and title imply that British police officers are being armed and patrols are now routinely carrying firearms. This is false, a fact which is even stated in the very article you sourced (bold emphasis added by me):



It is purely a coincidence that somebody managed to photograph an armed patrol that just so happened to be on normal duty at the time and doesn't at all represent the norm.

In addition, armed police officers are not only needed to combat (fire)armed criminals (there are very few of them in the UK). Armed divisions are also dispatched for those carrying other dangerous weapons such as chainsaws or machetes, so not everything is a matter of 'guns or no guns'.

The article even mentions that an overwhelmingly majority of police officers do not want to routinely carry firearms, despite some being involved in potentially life-threatening situations.

So what exactly is the point of this thread if everything you wrote is purposely misrepresenting and only intended to score 'pro/anti gun points'?
did it occur to you that YOU might be misrepresenting the title all on your own?

title

British police are now carrying firearms?!?!
looks like a question to me :D

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Both caffeinated beverages drank hot out of a cup.

Your point?
soccer VS footbal
baseball VS that funny paddle thingamagig
king/Queen VS President
funny accents

plenty of cultural differences :D
 

jkcerda

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Which one explains the difference of gun violence and deaths?
look around here
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/

that might clue you in, then again it is not s "scientific" study, so you might not be able to see the connection. here you are liable to be knocked out just so they load the video up, not sure how they handle things over there. I know I know "anecdotes" & videos don't count, funny you talk about "correlation/causation" but you are more than happy to dismiss simple thinks like the increase in crime after the citizens were disarmed when Katrina hit. anyways here you go.
http://rt.com/usa/new-orleans-guns/
In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, police in New Orleans confiscated thousands of guns from residents in an effort to keep guns out of the hands of anyone who wasn’t law enforcement.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-11-30-orleans-crime-cover_x.htm

Crime takes hold of new New Orleans

Oh it's terrible, terrible — simple as that," says Marguerite Oliver, 71, who is retired and lives in the Marigny, adjacent to the French Quarter that did not flood during Hurricane Katrina. It is a neighborhood of pricey homes and trendy bars and restaurants — not the kind of area known for violent crime before Katrina. Now, Oliver says, "The sun goes down, and I go in."

Crime, that old menace of the old New Orleans, is back, and it's bedeviling a city trying to recover from Hurricane Katrina. There have been 147 people killed in New Orleans this year, police say, down from 204 by this time in 2005. But the city's population is about half what it was before Katrina flooded 80% of the city, forcing an almost-complete evacuation.
 

Meister

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There is countries where policemen don't carry guns?
Although every police force has a firearms unit, for decades it has been an article of faith that in the mainland UK, almost uniquely among major industrialised nations, the police do not carry guns as a matter of course.
I have never been to a country where the police doesnt have guns, except the Netherlands.
And even there the Royal Marechaussee is armed to the teeth.

In some states here policemen are required by law to always carry a loaded gun once they put on their uniform.
 
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citizenzen

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... that might clue you in, then again it is not s "scientific" study, so you might not be able to see the connection. here you are liable to be knocked out just so they load the video up, not sure how they handle things over there. I know I know "anecdotes" & videos don't count, funny you talk about "correlation/causation" but you are more than happy to dismiss simple thinks like the increase in crime after the citizens were disarmed when Katrina hit. anyways here you go.
Poetry slam?

Cool.

I can almost hear the bongos.
 

jkcerda

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The correlation that I've noticed is the 100% chance of your post being punctuated by a smilie.

It works for you.

It really enhances your credibility.
:D. Your suffers a tad when you obviously dismiss simple data that is presented. Getting my CCW/LTC in a couple of weeks. So is the wife after the incident we just had
Pay attention to what that "poetry" that you appear to like says. See how women are portrayed there