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  1. jkcerda macrumors 6502a

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    the level of stupidity you support under one gets expanded by the next as they see fit
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/838/text
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  2. PracticalMac macrumors 68030

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    Under Chaos45 that level of stupidity has gone exponentially FUBAR.
    He has show how much farther a President can go then past, and hinted that power can go much, much farther with no consequences.
     
  3. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Sadly, this is already out there. It would just expand it nationally. The SS already uses it; probably a couple more agencies that we don't know about. And large cities. I have no doubt that NYC has a similar program.

    This act being promoted gives us an opportunity to see what pols are for such nonsense. Doesn't look like any of my reps have signed on as a sponsor.
     
  5. Huntn macrumors demi-god

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    Looking at your title and then post 1, I wonder if you really know your own mind? Comparing Obama to the 2 worst Presidents in American history is a non starter, without any realistic basis.

    You need to figure out if you are just making another of the many equivalence arguments, if this is another way to blame Obama, and then wonder why you spend 90% of your forum political energy in this forum supporting the head conman, who based on your ethnicity, would welcome you at most as his gardner, but wants your vote, while not thinking of him as a racist. What draws you to conservative policy? Is it their position on guns for all that drives most of this?
     
  6. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Pretty obvious most of you either don’t get it or don’t care. The clown you like extended and expanded the crimes of the clown you did not like
     
  7. Huntn macrumors demi-god

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    According to you they are all clowns, yet you spend most of your time supporting the current clown, so I am puzzled by your political positions in general. What do you really want? What or who do you imagines as the ideal President?
     
  8. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    one who respects the constitution, the rights of citizens, who does not waste money like a moron & who would stop the wars or minimize our engagements, seriously end the stupidity that we are doing right now. if Tulsi does not make it I hope Amash runs.
     
  9. Huntn macrumors demi-god

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    Then you should be in this forum everyday bashing Trump, but you are not.
     
  10. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    WHY be one more of you? trump has tried to end the conflicts in Syria. is trying to make peace in NK.
     
  11. PracticalMac macrumors 68030

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    So why do you celebrate one clown over another when to you they are equivalent?

    One of the first things Racist Chaos45 did in office is bomb Syria and increase ground troops in Syria.

    He has meet Kim 3 times but never produced any agreement. Even offered let NK keep the nukes it made (which noone knows how many NK made).

    The on agenda RacistChaos45 has succeeded in is cage undocumented people greatly hinder green-card holders.

    And RacistChaos45 still has not matched Obama's record for deportations. Is that Win enough?.
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  12. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    chaos 45 is there thanks to oclueless and he totally owns what he is doing there.
     
  13. mudslag macrumors regular

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    Did you really just suggest Obama is responsible for Trumps presidency? Talk about passing the buck of responsibility.
     
  14. mikef07 macrumors 6502

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    Sorry but anyone who thinks that a President who supported Socialist type policy over 2 that promote less of it, as better, for the type of system we are in is clueless beyond help.

    To put it in an analogy a bad catholic priest in a Catholic Church promoting catholic beliefs is better than a good Mormon priest promoting mormon values in a Catholic Church.
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    100%. The only reason Trump won is a) to get away from Obama's (and Hillary moving forward) terrible policies and they wanted a non-politician.
     
  15. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    sorry, forgot you guys prefer the term "inherited" :rolleyes:
     
  16. mudslag macrumors regular

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    So again, you're both suggesting that Trump is not responsible for his own Presidency, that's what you both are saying???

    Hell with that logic, no President is responsible for their own Presidency. But then again it will be Trump's fault for when he's no longer in office.

    You guys clearly don't care about personal responsibility.
     
  17. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    read post 12 again. you are far too busy excusing obama to see what is there.
     
  18. mudslag macrumors regular

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    Im just not dumb enough to think that the current President isn't responsible for his own Presidency.
     
  19. mikef07 macrumors 6502

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    Read post 12. It is plain to both of us. I'll make it even easier to understand. The reason Trump was elected is that people did not like the direction Obama had us going (Socialist policy, paper tiger, etc) and wanted something the opposite of that. The choice was Hillary (same thing except she is far more corrupt than Obama was) or a flawed non political person in Trump that would at least put policy forward that fits a constitutional republic that practices capitalism. That is why he was elected.

    As far as "he owns his own presidency " that is absolutely correct, just as Obama owns his, Bush his, etc.

    Obama is absolutely at fault for adding over $8T in debt. Trump will be jut as guilty for however much he adds. I will be the first to say that not everything Obama did was a failure or a disaster, only the most important things. He did some fine things that just don't matter as much. Obamacare and his tax policy are a disaster for our type of system.
     
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    You said it yourself, decided, they are in fact the reason Trump is POTUS. So if Trump loses this next election, it will be again because of the people, who don't like his crappy policies, well and his kindergarten attitude, making him responsible.
     
  21. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Glad you read it again.
     
  22. mikef07 macrumors 6502

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    Yes but how you don't get that the Obama presidency and Hillary led to Trump being elected is beyond me. I believe if he is not re-elected it will be due to all the "Free stuff" promises that are made. In other words other policies will trump Trump's policies. Having said that most people are too stupid to realize all these free things won't be possible.

    His polices aren't crappy. They just don't benefit those that don't want to work for it. Pretty ,much all his polices line up more with ur system than Obama's policies therefore they by definition aren't crappy.

    It would be like calling Catholic policy crappy. Well if you are Catholic it isn't crappy. If you are Mormon then it would be crappy. Trump's policies would only be crappy in a socialist type country like Canada.
     
  23. hulugu macrumors 68000

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    Trump has not tried to end the conflict in Syria—and what he's done has largely failed—and his "peace" with North Korea is just letting them have everything they've ever wanted. If Trump were a Democrat, the GOP couldn't say "appeasement" fast enough.
     
  24. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    And yet trump has massively increased the deficit. Some fiscal conservative.
     
  25. hulugu macrumors 68000

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    Right. Conservatives like to talk about "Free stuff," but it's abundantly clear that the tax bill was a giveaway to the wealthy and corporate owners, and will ultimately cost the U.S. Treasury billions. And, while Trump has slashed tiny public programs, hurting real people, he's giving cash to farmers to blunt the political fallout for the trade war, and tariffs will cost U.S. consumers thousands.

    Ultimately, the U.S. economy has been growing for a long time, but endemic structural problems remain, and not only has Trump done nothing for those problems, he acerbating them.
     

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