Bush Threatens Veto on anti-Torture Bill

Thanatoast

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Or, "How to Prove You're the Jackass Everyone Says You Are, in D minor"

The latest military spending bill [at $440,000,000,000!!!!(not including the Iraq war)] has an included rider, placed there by the Senate, that would set standards for the interrogation of prisoners and disallow torture of anyone in US government custody.

The President's advisors say they will recomend he veto the bill. Not *once* has the man vetoed *any* bill in his five years as President - but now he's threatening to use it, for the first time, on legislation that would prevent the abuse of suspects in US custody.

I feel sick.
 

broken_keyboard

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The idiots who crafted this bill are going to feel really great when the next Sept. 11 happens and it turns out one of our prisoners knew about it but we couldn't torture him.

"Hello, my name is Mr. Senator. Haha! Yes, I like to get every advantage to the enemy. Next question?"
 

Don't panic

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broken_keyboard said:
The idiots who crafted this bill are going to feel really great when the next Sept. 11 happens and it turns out one of our prisoners knew about it but we couldn't torture him.

"Hello, my name is Mr. Senator. Haha! Yes, I like to get every advantage to the enemy. Next question?"
so you are ok with us soldiers/citizens being tortured?
 

Dont Hurt Me

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This goof ball we call president doesnt have a clue of what a Veto pen is, let alone where it is........... So he is for torture! We knew this allready.

Worst President ever elected twice in my view. He will go down in history as the Bum who got us in Iraq. We expect everyone to live up to high standards we dont even live up to anymore. Bush is so pathetic it discust me just to think of the Bum.
 

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broken_keyboard said:
The idiots who crafted this bill are going to feel really great when the next Sept. 11 happens and it turns out one of our prisoners knew about it but we couldn't torture him.
Torture is ineffective as an interrogation device. The CIA doesn't use it.

It is a good way to let off steam if you're a sociopath.
 

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I hate this political crap! Why with the rider bills all the time!!

Maybe there's another issue that Bush is vetoing over, some other rider. I would suggest that he's vetoing the ridiculous $440 bil war spending, but I know that's not possible in light of how this administration has been run.

However, if it's the anti-torture that will veto $440 billion of money sent down the *******, I'm al for keeping it in.

What was the old phrase in the WW2 era? "A million dollars for war, but not one cent for tribute!" The Bush administration's got something like that, "A trillion dollars for war, but not one cent for education, health care, or other domestic issues!"
 

takao

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hmm oh well didn't the US ratify the UN ban on torture just a few years ago ?
so doesn't make that this discussion rather pointless to begin with ?

that aside it's even stated under human rights .. so this veto would be just like vetoing on human rights

and again the hollywood movie "the siege" comes back to mind...

edit: and isn't torture already banned in the US anyways ?.. here it's been officially since 1780 with the few dark years from 1938-45 afaik
 

Thanatoast

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Will you still be flippant when the next 9-11 happens and the video hits the airwaves saying it was in response to our invasion and occupation of Iraq and our abuse of human rights?

And this despite our new and improved "security" and tens of billions in new spending.
 

ChrisBrightwell

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broken_keyboard said:
I don't believe it would be ineffective. Most people would talk if you started pulling their fingernails out.
These people are willing to die for their cause. Pulling out fingernails is nothing to them.

Torture is an abomination of civilized society.
 

zimv20

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broken_keyboard said:
I don't believe it would be ineffective. Most people would talk if you started pulling their fingernails out.
yeah, they'll tell you whatever you want to hear.
 

pseudobrit

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broken_keyboard said:
I don't believe it would be ineffective. Most people would talk if you started pulling their fingernails out.
You can believe that flying monkeys can shoot out of your ass, too.

The CIA instructs agents that torture is counterproductive to interrogation because it instills emotions of hopelessness and despair in the captive.

If they know something, it steels them. If they know nothing, they'll just start making **** up, sending your intelligence community down dead ends.
 

pseudobrit

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The U.N. - what's that?
The international organisation that was established to prevent another World War by fostering worldwide communication, cooperation and mediation.

Libertarians and other assorted selfish bastards are hellbent on dismantling it so they can kill and exploit whomever they please.
 

broken_keyboard

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pseudobrit said:
The international organisation that was established to prevent another World War by fostering worldwide communication, cooperation and mediation.
Oh, for a minute there I thought it was a mechanism by which terrorist states could exercise power over the U.S.