Bush's speech

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Leo Hubbard, Sep 2, 2004.

  1. Thanatoast macrumors 65816


    Dec 3, 2002
    i'm watching right now, and he's speaking a lot, but saying little. (surprise) he keeps saying what he's gonna do, without saying how he's gonna do it. most things you can read between the lines, but it really bugs me. "i'll make the economy stronger!" yeah? tell me how. bet it has something to do with tax cuts for rich people.

    sometimes he'll say something completely contradictory to all evidence, like "democracy is coming to the middle east". except that we've ditched afghanistan and iraq is falling apart at the seams. but the crowd is eating it up.

    two protestors so far :)
  2. Leo Hubbard thread starter macrumors newbie

    Jul 13, 2004
    Same thing Kerry did :( However, he did state that details were at his site.
    At that site if you wait till the end of the animation it brings up a link where you can download his plan.
  3. Thanatoast macrumors 65816


    Dec 3, 2002
    you're right, no politician is ever big on specifics (lord forbid!) but kerry at least gave an extra sentence in his speech to most of his grand thoughts.
  4. Bobcat37 macrumors member


    Jul 27, 2004
    What's sad is Kerry's little "rebuttle rally" he is having right now (which is unprecedented btw). If that doesn't scream desperate and worried, I don't know what does... :confused:
  5. Sayhey macrumors 68000


    May 22, 2003
    San Francisco
    Not sad, but very, very mad. The gloves are off. Expect to hear more and more about Cheney's five deferments (he had "other priorities,") Bush's family influence to get into the Guard (and his lack of attendance for his duties,) about the corruption (Halliburton) in this administration, and most importantly the lies that led to the invasion of Iraq. If Bush thinks Kerry is another Dukakis and won't fight back he is sadly mistaken.
  6. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

    IJ Reilly

    Jul 16, 2002
    Speaking of Dick Cheney...

    Halliburton Role in Probe Criticized

    A Nigerian report on allegations of bribery by consortium accuses the firm of playing games with parliamentary investigators.
    By Ken Silverstein
    Times Staff Writer

    September 2, 2004

    WASHINGTON — A Nigerian parliamentary report on allegations that a consortium that includes Halliburton Co. made vast illegal payments to win multibillion-dollar deals accuses the company of playing "hide-and-seek games" with local investigators.

    The payments were reportedly made between 1995 and 2002, as the consortium, known as TSKJ, won three contracts worth a combined $7 billion to build a natural gas plant and related facilities.

    The report, which was released Wednesday, sharply criticizes Halliburton, the energy services firm, calling on Chief Executive Dave Lesar to come to Nigeria to "make necessary clarifications" before parliamentary investigators.

    It also recommends that Halliburton receive no further contracts in Nigeria until all international inquiries have been concluded. French authorities, the U.S. Justice Department and the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission also have ongoing investigations.

    Halliburton has denied the bribery allegations. Wendy Hall, a company spokeswoman, said in an e-mail that the Nigerian report "contains numerous inaccuracies and is based on secondhand information." She said the company was working with "all government agencies to achieve resolution on this matter."

    The company's chief executive during some of the time covered by the investigation was Vice President Dick Cheney, who resigned from Halliburton in 2000 to run for the office he now holds. The Nigerian report does not name Cheney, and no evidence has emerged that he knew of any payments that might have been made.

    Cheney's office referred questions about the Nigeria case to Halliburton. Hall said the company had no "information that would implicate" Cheney.

    The U.S. Foreign Corrupt Practices Act prohibits American companies from bribing foreign officials. Cheney would be liable only if he knew that such payments were made.


  7. Leo Hubbard thread starter macrumors newbie

    Jul 13, 2004
    I wonder how many of those bribes were paid during Clinton's Reign? After all Halliburton had an almost exclusive setup with the Clintons.
  8. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

    Thomas Veil

    Feb 14, 2004
    OBJECTIVE reality
    What struck me most about Bush's speech was some of the more foolhardy stuff. I'm not sure it was smart to remind people, on national TV, of better days, when Dad worked, had one job, and had it for life if he wanted it. It just served to remind us of how low the Republicans (and to be fair, centrist Democrats) have brought us.

    I'm not sure what he was thinking in other parts of his speech either. Bring small companies together to buy insurance? We have that. Cleveland's version is called COSE (Council of Smaller Enterprises), and they've been doing that for a couple of decades now. Create retirement accounts independent of Social Security? Uh, that's called a 401k or an IRA, George.

    The crowd was obviously lapping it up, but I couldn't help wondering if Bush was fully in touch with reality.
  9. Chip NoVaMac macrumors G3

    Chip NoVaMac

    Dec 25, 2003
    Northern Virginia
    Very disappointed how low Bush and company went compared to the DNC.
  10. Thanatoast macrumors 65816


    Dec 3, 2002
    He's desperate alright. You would be too if 47% of the country still backed Bush after all the *bull***** he's pulled. I mean, giving enormous tax cuts to the wealthiest 1% of the nation while simultaneously starting a war, leaving two countries in rubble, selling off national parks to the highest bidder and pushing the biggest crackdown on civil liberties since...ever, and there are still people out there who would follow this guy straight over the cliff. WTF?
  11. takao macrumors 68040


    Dec 25, 2003
    Dornbirn (Austria)
    hm have watched and wasn't really impressed ... this saying 1 sentence...cheering crowds (with 1 second gap between sentence and him stopping to talk...yeah that is spontanous )...1 sentence..etc. was very annoying (at least to me)

    and hearing him nearly stumble when he said "free afghanistan" and "free iraq" was worth a smile
    and his talking about "accountable governments" was of course full of irony..had there to grin too ...
  12. kuyu macrumors 6502a


    Sep 16, 2003
    Tax reform, keeping dividend taxes low, personal social security accounts. Sounds good to me. Although, I'm taking a class on investments this semester and we are playing this online investment game. If we beat the S&P we get 15 extra credit points. Talking to my professor and classmates, we all will have an easy time doing so if Kerry wins. How? Short drug stocks and blue chips with high dividends just before the quarter ends. The market will lose ground and there's money to be made if you know the prices will fall.

    Food for thought: The average American makes ~$31,000/year. If we work for about 40 years how much does the avg person contribute to social security??? $99,200

    8% FICA = $2,480/year. The market averages ~9.5% after inflation. So, the avg person would have a tax free account at their bank worth... $958,569.58. Put that into a gov't bond at the risk free average rate of ~3% and.... You get $2,396.42/month forever and never touch the million bucks!!! Beats the $1,100 we get today.

    The break even point: To not benefit from the elective process Bush is advocating, you have to make $14,229.54 a year (or less) for your entire working life. Sounds good to me.
  13. themadchemist macrumors 68030


    Jan 31, 2003
    Chi Town
    Was it just me or did others think that Bush's oratorical presentation was kind of dry? Especially toward the end, I thought, when he should have reached a forceful climax, he simply toned it down and ended pretty boringly.
  14. wwworry macrumors regular

    Mar 23, 2002
    You can ask Paul O'Neill and Alan Greenspan about this and they will tell you that the US will need about a trillion dollars to make the shift to private Social Security Accounts. You have to be able to fund the people who do not have the accounts while at the same time put revenue from younger workers into accounts (the younger workers will not be funding the older workers as much, to put it simply).

    At the beginning of the Bush term this might have been possible because of the projected surpluses but now, in light of recent huge deficits, it is really not fiscally possible/responsible to start individual SS accounts.

    You can argue all you want about the relative merits of the plan but to do it you need some extra money which the USA does not have.

    end of story
  15. skunk macrumors G4


    Jun 29, 2002
    Republic of Ukistan
    You'll probably just borrow it from the rest of the world, as usual.
  16. Rower_CPU Moderator emeritus


    Oct 5, 2001
    San Diego, CA
    I'm surprised no-one's mentioned the 2 protesters who were escorted out during the speech. With all the protests going on I wondered if someone might get in but was shocked to see them actually get onto the convention floor.
  17. blackfox macrumors 65816


    Feb 18, 2003
    Excerpt from Wash. Post "Whitehouse briefing" Column regarding notable omissions from Bush's speech:

    Decent points, I would say...typical Bush...sweeping rhetoric, little tie-in to reality. In fairness, Kerry, and indeed most politicians fall into this trap, but Bush and Co. seemed to talk very little about their accomplishments and mostly about why Kerry was no good and the implied suggestion that America would be weaker vis-a-vis terrorism with a change in the Oval Office.

    Something that perplexes me, however...(though this is partially rhetorical)...most journalists and pundits explain that Bush is (wisely) campaigning on his strength in fighting the WOT, as opposed to the Economy, Iraq, or indeed anything else...but what has he done? I don not understand how he can be seen to have done anything against the WOT. At least w/ regards to Iraq, whether you agree or not, you can point to things done by the Administration...

    It is ridiculous...anyway, just mentioning...that a candidate can manage to run a campaign solely on vapor and slight-of-hand...crazy.
  18. zimv20 macrumors 601


    Jul 18, 2002
    notably absent from any pundit anywhere, afaik (and i'd like credit for coining this if i'm the first), is any reference to Madison Square Garden as "the Green Zone".
  19. solvs macrumors 603


    Jun 25, 2002
    LaLaLand, CA
    I was not impressed by Bush's rhetoric

    And this is why I've decided to vote for Kerry. He may not say much, but neither did Bush, and he's had 4 years to do something. I keep hearing Bush make his promises, but it's the same thing he said 4 years ago and things have just gotten worse. Economy, education, enviroment. National Security. Are things better now than they were 4 years ago? Do you really see things improving now after this long decline?

    If Kerry just does nothing with his presidency, and is simply adequate (or even sub-average), he will be a better Pres. than Bush. And that's just sad. I'd love to love Kerry, but like so many other people, I just say "anybody but Bush".
  20. Neserk macrumors 6502a


    Jan 1, 2004
    A leader who had been a good leader would talk about what he had already done. SEems to me that even Bush realizes what a lousy job he has done. Why should he get four more years? So he can completely destroy the country and the world?
  21. wwworry macrumors regular

    Mar 23, 2002
    How about this:

    oops, sorry that was 1996...

    Today Bush asks for a do-over.
  22. Neserk macrumors 6502a


    Jan 1, 2004
    *sigh* I know... Bush will go the way of his father (who was benign in comparison) 1 term loser.

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