I want the 17" MBP because of the larger screen, standard discreet graphics, and the fact that even NOS units are cheaper if buying from private hands or companies with overstock. However, the processors and graphics cards are older, they still have spinning hard drives, and lower res screens, compared to latest 15" Retina. In Canada most Apple products are more expensive than USA except the iPhone 4S, iPad 4, and iPods. The base rMBP 15" is $2049 here compared to $1999. The NOS 17" can be had for $1500 taxfree. But are these worth buying? Should I just take the retina (and live with the disliked-by-me and controversial look of Yosemite)? Do they have AppleCare? FURTHER INFO: I am a university student who would also like to do photo, video, and music editing on the go, yet I have a limited spending budget ($10000-15000/month), which is why I use an iPhone 4S and an old iMac to save money.