Buyer's remorse: Bought Thunderbolt Display after buying RMBP

Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by Brandon263, Aug 16, 2012.

  1. Brandon263 macrumors 6502

    Sep 12, 2009
    Beaumont, CA
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    It looks hideous. Colors seem muted, text and images are blurry and it has lots of glare. I'm just not impressed. Should I sell it?

    The only reason I've kept it is because I think the physically larger display will somehow increase my productivity and I like listening to music from it after I get headphone fatigue (it sounds really good in spite of what people say about monitor speakers).

    Should I keep it? What would you do?
  2. MacDawg macrumors Core


    Mar 20, 2004
    "Between the Hedges"
    You might try a calibration
    I love mine and wouldn't give it up
  3. GGJstudios macrumors Westmere


    May 16, 2008
    If I buy a product that I'm not satisfied with, I return it.
  4. Comeagain? macrumors 68020


    Feb 17, 2011
    Spokane, WA
    Is text blurry compared to the Retina MBP, or other monitors?
  5. maflynn Moderator


    Staff Member

    May 3, 2009
    Unhappy - return it. I'd first try calibrating it, to see if that helps but in the end, not happy, return it.
  6. appletechpro macrumors regular

    Jun 26, 2012
    After calibrating my rMBP to better match my TB display, I have had no issues.

    I run my rMBP in 1680x1050 mode, and the sharpness doesn't bother me when I switch to the TB display. The TB display is still very impressive in my eyes.
  7. gentlefury macrumors 68030

    Jul 21, 2011
    Los Angeles, CA
    rMBP basically ruins all displays. I'm waiting on a Retina Cinema Display!
  8. PS65 macrumors 6502

    Jan 25, 2008
    United Kingdom
    You'll be waiting a very long time.
  9. sordan macrumors member

    Apr 26, 2011
    I purchased the rMBP as well as the Thunderbolt Display in one purchase recently. I actually had a much difference experience. I felt that the Thunderbolt display, although not as sharp/detailed as the Retina, is still very, very good. I'm extremely happy with my purchase so I would assume there could be some messed up settings with yours? I just have it set to "best for display" on mine. Good luck.
  10. gentlefury macrumors 68030

    Jul 21, 2011
    Los Angeles, CA
    if you consider a year a very long time I suppose.
  11. mzjin macrumors 6502


    Oct 28, 2011
    Hilarious. The tb display has vastly superior everything except pixel density. It will take years for the retina notebook displays to even come close.
  12. iLikeTurtles! macrumors 6502

    Jun 22, 2012
  13. thekev macrumors 604


    Aug 5, 2010
    This doesn't really make sense relative to the OP's complaints. Calibration or really just rewriting a profile for the display may even out some weirdness in color and gamma. The colors seem muted thing is subjective. If he regards the rMBP as looking correct, the others will be seen as dull. This is really just based on the way we see things, and taking measurements won't really change that. It's a very high level adjustment. The rMBP does seem to have less glare than the prior glossy macbooks. It might be less than the TB display too. Again it wouldn't change. The complaints about text wouldn't change. That's most likely an issue of display resolution. Typically notebook displays are viewed just a bit closer, but depending on positioning I could see this.

    Overall I see little reason for the guy to keep anything he doesn't want. If he dislikes it, it's unlikely that he'll use it regularly. It'll probably sit there until he replaces it when something new comes out. While I don't totally agree with the assessment, it makes the OP unhappy.

    I don't agree with this at all. Shadow detail and a number of other factors do remain ahead on some other displays. That being said, it's an enormous step up from the older notebook displays.
  14. sweetbrat macrumors 65816


    Jun 17, 2009
    Redford, MI
    Calibration can make colors seem brighter and sharper, and can increase contrast which in turn makes most text look crisper. If it's done properly, it can make a huge difference in how the display looks. It still might not be what the OP wants, but is at least worth a try. Anyone willing to spend that much cash on a display should be more than willing to calibrate it properly, in my opinion; that especially goes for people using both displays at the same time. If they're not calibrated, everything will look vastly different on one display than on the other.
  15. rocanlover163 macrumors member

    Jun 21, 2012
    I've had my TBD and rMBP a little over 3 weeks, and I'm more than satisifed with both of them. I'm sorry this isn't the same case with yours.. Like everyone else is saying, if you aren't happy with it, then return it or sell it. There is no point in keeping it if you aren't going to use it, especially given the amount of $$$ you probably spent on it.

    Am I the only one who has no problem switching from the TBD to the rMBP display without any problems. I mean the TBD looks georgous, and Yes the rMPB is even better, but it doesn't bother me. I don't get everyone who says "once you use the rMPB, every other screen will look like crap"..:confused:
  16. Mojo1 macrumors 65816

    Jul 26, 2011
    The Apple TB display is simply not as good as some comparably-priced displays from companies such NEC.

    It lacks basic ergonomic adjustments. It is not possible to calibrate it to a decent state, the brightness is not uniform from corner to corner, it offers only the sRGB colour space, and the glass panel suffers from glare and reflection issues.

    I suspect that Apple display designers don't actually do their work using the TB display or they would do a better job designing a display for people who use it for hours every day doing color-critical work...

    But it sure is purty! And lots of ports! Oboy!

    I think that 24" is the sweet-spot size and price-wise. You can snag a superior NEC 24" display at a discount for around 60% of the cost. A 27" NEC will set you back around $150 more than a TB if you pay the MSRP. And the NEC has a four year warranty vs. a one year warranty for the Thunderbolt. Figure in the cost of an extended AppleCare warranty and the displays cost about the same.

    So I say return that sucker and get a display that is about excellent performance vs. a design aesthetic.
  17. GoreVidal macrumors 6502a


    Jun 19, 2011
    Why would you sell it when you can return it? Why would you keep it if you aren't happy with it?
  18. Tankmaze macrumors 68000


    Mar 7, 2012
    Why would you buy an external monitor that has less dpi than your rmbp, it negates the point of purchasing retina mbp. I would love a retina display, but at 15 inch the display is to small for me to work with, might wait till retina display available for the 27 inch.
  19. thekev macrumors 604


    Aug 5, 2010
    I'd still take screen real estate over dpi to a certain point. If they're buying both of these items, hopefully they do intend to take the notebook with them at times.

    It will still look different unless you're taking steps to match them specifically. I realize you probably think I'm being argumentative here, but whenever someone says "calibration" it sounds like hardware values are being tuned to some kind of reference graph. It's not really the case. The colorimeter attempts to measure the output and organize a description of that hardware for the gpu. This can even out weirdness in gamma, which would achieve the effect you mentioned. It cannot actually increase contrast ratios. These software bundles have no direct ability to apply hardware instructions, so what you're seeing is a change in gains there by what is fed to the framebuffer. I could still see the argument of it improving text, but I don't think it will make up for such a huge level of disdain.

    If you're trying to match displays, this really requires that kind of feature in the software, otherwise it's too annoying. This means whichever one has a greater range will be compressed to the level of the other. I'm pretty sure the thunderbolt display is technically higher in overall contrast ratio. This has nothing to do with opinions on which is better. I'm simply referring to a ratio between black and white point luminance at greater than 50% brightness. If you go really low, the behavior might go a little more weird. At that point I don't know which would hold up better.

    I've tested most of the available calibration/profiling software including i1 profiler, basicolor, coloreyes, spectraview (US version), and some of the older versions of Datacolor's software. I haven't tried all of them in their most recent versions, but I've spent more time messing with this stuff trying to figure out what grants the best shadow detail and greyscale than I wish to remember:p. It makes a difference. It's just that given the TB display's slightly restricted options and the complete disdain of the OP, I think he'd be best off not getting stuck with such a display. The colorimeter isn't a bad buy either way. It's worth using on the rMBP.
  20. iAppl3Fan macrumors 6502a


    Sep 8, 2011
    I have the same assessment as you as well. the TBD looks fine to me.
  21. Tankmaze macrumors 68000


    Mar 7, 2012
    I agree, thats why I always use external monitor with my mbp.

    To the op: it doesnt make any sense really to purchase an external display with your retina mbp and dont make use of that wonderful retina display (meaning if you use it on a desk 90% of the time with your mbp lid closed).
  22. clyde2801 macrumors 601


    Mar 6, 2008
    In the land of no hills and red dirt.
    Unless the rTBD starts to carry it's own onboard graphics card, I don't see this happening. 27" external retina would be a helluva massive load for any notebook GPU to handle.

    If they release it with those specs for the current price, I could see a lot of people getting onto that ride. Hell, even if it didn't have a retina display!
  23. PS65 macrumors 6502

    Jan 25, 2008
    United Kingdom
    You clearly have no technical understanding of how display technology works. I would be very surprised if they can create it in one year; in any case, it's more to do with the progression in GPU technology.
  24. macuserx86 macrumors 6502a


    Jun 12, 2006
    Whoa, that's a great idea! It's already connected via TB so Apple could pack a decent GPU inside the monitor so when you plug into it, the GPU inside the display would render for the panel and the computer's GPU would be free to render the native display and help with OpenCL accelerated tasks. I really hope Apple does this; would be the perfect usage for TB.
  25. gentlefury macrumors 68030

    Jul 21, 2011
    Los Angeles, CA
    clearly that is the case, in internetz land.

    Guess you clearly didn't realize that when you go to "looks like 1920x1200" mode on the current gen rMBP it actually renders the desktop at 3840x2400. GPU's can handle extremely high resolution output. It's an OS not a video game.

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