Buzzfeed: Trump Org. Planned to give Putin $50m Trump Tower Moscow Suite

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    I don’t know any Russians, I have no business deals or the possibility of business deals in Russia.
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    Fake Tower and fake suite. Unless it comes from Fox News as directed by Trump, it's safe to say it's ALL fake. Got it?
     
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    Giuliani says there is no contradiction between Cohen's and Trump's account of the Moscow Trump Tower project.

    Trump says that Cohen is a liar. :confused:
     
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    And we all know that Trump is no liar. Everyone believes Trump :p;)
     
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    The fact Cohen pleaded guilty, cooperated, plead guilty to another crime and these stories are flowing leads me to believe Cohen has valid info and this Buzzfeed article has dates attached on certain info. News organizations are tying Trump comments to comments made by Russian businessman at the same time, some in contact with Cohen.

    Still far too early to call anything, but as usual, there is still one basic, fundamental question that has been on my mind from the start; why would a vitriolic, name-calling, “tough guy” like Trump melt for Putin so easily, all the time?

    Morons like Roger Stone and political-fiction cons like Jerome Corsi have done themselves no favors.

    Corsi has Trump syndrome by accidentally telling the truth to their own detriment.
     
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    Trump is smart enough to keep Rudy off TV, but I’m surprised he kept him at all. “Trump on tape asking for kremlin help, offered bribe”.

    Giuliani: “This has been our point from the start, and proves that Trump definitely not was trying to absolutely collude not with but with not the Russians but the Kremlin. The false truth isn’t always the true false.”

    *I bet Mueller has known about a lot of this for a bit and did try to keep it under wraps until after the midterms. Why rush anyways? Gather more info.
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    Trump also said today that there was a chance he may not win, so why lose out on business? That, in reality, is a perfectly valid answer for legal business dealings. He should have said that from the start. It’s not the crime, it’s the cover-up. If he asked/knew of/accepted help, that’s different, but simply trying to build a tower? I wouldn’t pursue it while running, but who cares.

    But no, Trump’s tone changes depends on what news is revealed.
     
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    Trump: Russia? What Russia, there's that area that's part of Asia but that isn't Russia. There's also that bald guy model who likes to ride around on bears shirtless but I don't personally know him. I think he played on that show where he was a Captain of the Starship.
     
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    I don't know about a Trump Tower in Russia. Could have been this Trump, I don't anything about him, why would I? Could have been China. Nobody knows, nobody has said conclusively, there's no conclusion.. no conclusion.
     
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    The reason to rush is that if Trump is proved to have collaborated with a hostile foreign power to win the election then that makes his presidency illegitimate and everything he has done can be challenged with law suits for years to come. I saw an interview with one of the state attorney generals who are suing in federal court to have the interim U.S. attorney general's appointment declared unconstitutional. She said that there could be a large number of court cases where defendants challenge the actions of the Justice Department on that basis.
     
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    The country is so partisan though.... Comey was truly between a rock and hard-place. Open the investigation and get the truth out, or hold it and disenfranchise conservatives (Comey is a conservative). There was no good answer.

    I don't think Mueller should rush this. After all, we have McConnell's trust Trump won't fire him. BUT, if he does, too much is out now.

    Trump will break under liberal congress.. Nunes cannot brown-nose or obstruct. Nope, we are going into the wells of the capitol and digging up the skeletons and we will get Trump's tax returns.

    No logical person will be surprised. He lied, cheated, hired crooked lawyers, robbed from his father, cut out his siblings, etc. Everyone knows this. Racist? I have songs written 40 years ago about Trump not renting to black people. No, it will just be mayonnaise on the sandwich.
     
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    Sometimes I wonder just how partisan we really are. I firmly believe had the DNC picked anyone other than HRC, the Dems would have won. HRC just has a history that follows her. Actual history and not made up mumbo jumbo my side loves to rag on her. The DNC seems to have issues with picking a reliable candidate every so often.

    The damage Trump has done to the GOP may very well cause the GOP to go back to their roots and silently push out the vocal minority that cause problems.
     
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    Trump endorsed 4 books tonight on his way to Argentina. How many did he read? Will be interested in hearing Trump Supporters answers. One? None?

    I'll go on a limb with none. "Pro-Me Book Good!"
     
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    Let's be honest here, Trump isn't going to jail. Short of killing someone directly, that isn't going to happen. Politically it just looks bad to stick a POTUS in jail and I honestly don't believe either party would push for that. The reality is any impeachment will come down to what Mueller has. The Dems (house) while they can impeach, face a real risk of doing so knowing full well the Senate is nothing but an up hill battle, which is why it's so important for the Dems to not rush into this. Mueller has to have some really dark **** on Trump to even get the Senate/GOP to even think about moving forward. If the Dems impeach for the sake of it, it just looks petty and could hurt them in 2020 more then help.

    Mueller has to have actual dirty on Trump, that will give the Dems ammo to work with the GOP in the Senate to work out a deal to get rid of Trump. Trump is still a thorn in the Republican's side but for many it's a bearable pain as long as the top brass still gets what they want for now. I don't believe for a min Mcconnell and others have any real loyalty for Trump and are just waiting them to have the info they need to wash their hands of Trump, only then can they be ready to work out a deal to dump Trump. The other issue I see why many on the Right are holding off on this is they are worried Trump will rally his base against them, which is why they also need the Mueller ammo to take by to their constituents and be "look Trump is dirty and bad for America, we need your support in us to dump him".
     
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    Pretty sure his base will just buy the book to support Trump and never read them.
     
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    If this turns out to be true, it should be the end of this presidency. Offering a foreign head of state a $50 million gift while negotiating to cut a business deal in that country is a pretty clear violation of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. So, either Trump committed a felony under the FCPA, or it turns out that the guy whose entire candidacy and public persona were premised on the notion that he was some sort of master businessman was totally clueless to the fact that his business was a criminal enterprise.
     
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    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1068442531887632384

    What happened to "No business deals, no investments, no nothing!"

    As I've said, he denies, then when its proven he lied, claims "so what? It's not wrong anyways".

    Then why not tell the truth from the start? This guy is a con, I can't believe so many voted for a man who was obviously a dimwit and a liar from the start.
     
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    If the Republicans could kick out the racists and win over the Clinton supporters (as opposed to the Sanders supporters) and get the presidency why wouldn’t they go for that?
     
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    Maybe. What's striking is how crimes and misdemeanors that would have sunk a normal president have yet to dent the man's support. The man paid off the National Enquirer to hide his affair with a porn star, and his supporters have yet to calve away.

    There's been more indictments of Trump administration officials—Zinke's next—and yet, he's still "draining the swamp" according to his bonkers supporters.

    And, every time we talk about the Russia thing, we have to talk about HRC, as it somehow the equivalence means that Trump is innocent.

    So, I suspect that even when he's impeached, 35 percent of the country will complain about how he got done in by the establishment, rather than acknowledge that they got conned by a con artist.
     
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    Trump has done a good job branding the investigation to his base as being about him and collusion. As if collusion was the only thing Mueller is investigating.
     
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    Too much baggage. It's easier to fool older demographics with scare tactics rather than younger people. Younger people are more inclined to thoroughly research what's being said. There's a reason most conservative outlets have a target demographic ranging at the latter half of the age scale.

    What you're suggesting would take anywhere from 10-30 years to do because of all the damage that's been done. For the GOP to get anywhere, they'd have to emulate centrist Democrats to win people over. This would mean dropping their core values they've been riding on for a long time. The only way for the GOP to survive in 50 years is the aforementioned.
     

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