By attacking Trump, the Pope injects himself into American politics

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  1. bent christian Suspended

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    Yes, because religious leaders inserting themselves into politics in the U.S is such a rare and unheard of thing.
     
  2. Robisan macrumors 6502

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    Especially the Catholic church.
     
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    doing it during mass is one thing, making statements such as the one the pope made is another. church should lose its tax exempt status .
     
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    Personally, I believe all churches should. That being said, this isn't something that should lose a specific church their tax status.
     
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    It's worth noting that the Pope demurred in saying that Donald Trump was not a Christian, rather he said in response to a reporter's question regarding Trump:

    If this is the tipping point for a church that has inserted itself into all manner of political discussions, including the treatment of homeless, abortion, climate change, and the potential use of nuclear weapons, then clearly we've come to a weird place in history.

    The Pope has always been political figure, and that the tax-exemption status for churches has been a convenient lie.
     
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    I'm trying to think of any American clerical leaders who have injected themselves into another nation's politics.

    I'm drawing a blank.
     
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    Bush, Obama.
     
  8. hulugu macrumors 68000

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    American church leaders regularly attacked Communism in Cuba, forcefully argued against Putin's invasion of the Ukraine, and have supported the German's acceptance of thousands of Syrian refugees.

    (In no particular order, just from the top off my head)

    And, I don't see how tax exemptions should balance on the pin of foreign politics when its been accepted for decades that churches can flirt with injecting themselves into American political arguments.
     
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    There's a difference in that the Pope is a head of state. Other heads of state have made remarks about American politics.
     
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    That's a really good point.
     
  11. aaronvan thread starter Suspended

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    I meant to say another nation's presidential (or equivalent) election.
     
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    Right, but you said American clerical leaders injecting themselves in foreign elections. It's not the same, the Pope isn't just the leader of the Catholic Church, he is a head of state.
     
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    Yes Evangelicals have been SILENT about our wars in the Middle East. They have basically had nothing to say about what happens there.
     
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    True, but he is first and foremost the leader of an international church. Nobody considers him solely as the head of state of a 24-square mile nation.
     
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    While some may fail to realize it, you simply can't ignore it.
     
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    there are a lot missionaries come to mind. but even barring that there have been at least two preachers that pushed for extreme anti gay laws or death to gays. one is getting charged with crimes against humanity.
     
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    Pretty sure he was talking about foreign religious people injecting themselves in our presidential elections. Evangelicals in Texas wouldn't know who the hell is the head of Libya or when their elections take place. I'm not sure our own government know that.
     
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    Even more so, a head of state should butt out of our presidential elections.
     
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    I think you don't understand the difference between a president and a priest.
     
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    Obama has had no problem yapping about the wars.
    --- Post Merged, Feb 18, 2016 ---
    Missed the "clerical" part of his post .
     
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    Because the US has historically always been hands off of foreign elections?
     
  22. bent christian Suspended

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    He clearly is not.
     
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    Historically, POTUS does not opine on other nations presidential (or their equivalent) elections.
     
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    Why?

    Like it or not, our Presidental elections have an enormous impact on the entire planet, not just within the States.
     

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