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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by CorvusCamenarum, Nov 14, 2010.
I applaud this guy.
Good for him!
Don't Touch My Junk Bro
I don't get it. "leave the airport and you'll get fined." ?!?!
TSA is ********, we have the same level of protection we had before 9/11, just at 4x the cost.
This guy is a complete loser ... tell him to go home and take a bus ... he is part of the problem not helping with any solutions.
He is Lucky it was not in Vancouver ... the Cops would have Tasered him to death ... just like when the Cops murdered that poor guy who had trouble finding his Mom and he only had a language barrier problem.
That's nothing compared to the security checks people flying to the US have to go through. I refuse to set foot in your country anymore, since I refuse to be treated like an incoming prison inmate just for wanting to travel.
Oh. So if he didn't articulate a solution, but rather simply gave a detailed account of his experience, he is "part of the problem."
Yes, totally part of the problem ... refuse a security check, you get removed from airport ... simple.
What I meant by solution was ... follow the rules and we all move along ... I bet he causes this kind of delay crap even at the Walmart checkout.
needs his @*$ kicked with his holier than thou attitude. Anyone who refuses a security check is simply .... a risk to safety.
NO- I'm glad he did what he did. It's about time. Flying has become an absolute nightmare because of this kind of garbage. More people should do this and force the TSA to come up with better solutions.
I didn't find it onerous at all at JFK or flying out from DC on my recent visit even with all my bags being searched because I declared something at customs. Would hardly compare it to imprisonment. I have no problems with fingerprint scans, full body scanners, shoe removal etc, even patdowns if they really wanted to bother a middle-aged woman... I've endured far worse indignities in hospitals.
I forgot how easy it was for him to "follow the rules."
I see the problems from both the sides in this case....
If I was a passenger and knew that some guy was was refusing security checks, I'd be scared to fly with him. The first thought is that if someone is refusing security check, what's he got to hide?? (Not necessary that he is hiding anything, but it's just the first thought that comes to mind when you are another passenger in line.)
From the other point of view, individual rights are almost non-existent at TSA security check points. You are not read your rights, nor are you treated with dignity when they decide to take you to the "back".
We have to deal with root cause. It's not an easy issue to deal with. Unfortunately Sept 11 changed the face of air travel and the many attempts since then just keep reinforcing the need for added security.
I just find it funny that both the shoe bomber and the underwear dude were stopped by fellow passengers, NOT security checks.
Sigh. Strike up another win for the terrorists.
But he does have a right to not be unreasonably searched (as granted to the Americans by the 4th amendment), he submitted to an x-ray scan of his belongings, and a metal detector scan of his body. What he didn't feel comfortable with is people examining his essentially naked body, or touching his genitals.
All of which are purely reactionary measures that do nothing to change the actual security of a flight because the TSA is constantly one step behind in their thinking. A bomber tried to hide explosives in his shoes, so we now take them off; since our shoes are examined now a bomber tried explosive underwear, now because of that we check peoples privates.
The next step will be something like bomber swallowing explosives.... then after the fact I'm sure the TSA will then mandate either full body x-rays and/or a G.I examination of each passenger with an endoscopic camera.
Seems to me he made things harder for himself.
I've gone through many airports, seen the scanners, never knew what they were. Never flagged to go through them. But if I were, I would ask the escorter, "if I opt out, will the agent patting me down be female?"
"No"? "Then I'll do the scanner".
"Yes"? "I respectfully opt out of this device and DEMAND to be fris...err, patted down as an alternative".
That said I have never been flagged for the scanner. I've always just gone through the metal detector without incident. I do note though that I seem to be more aware than most travelers when it comes to being ready for TSA. I wear a plain white T-shirt and running pants, with slipon shoes. No watch, no wallet, no jewelry, nothing. Anything I would be wearing is in my carry-on so the X-ray scanner gets it. Bare as it gets, so I'm in and out. I see people all the time bundled up with all sorts of crap. It's no wonder they get flagged.
And what about all the people who are prepared, just like you, but get "randomly selected for additional security checks"??
It's happened to me....
From what I've heard, some airports are making it a case of either/or. Either you go through the porno scanners, OR, you get the "Administrative" pat-down. No other option.
Yes, that's true for most of the larger airports like JFK and O'Hare.
I've had to go through the full body scanners. The guy sitting in the closed room checking the pics will be super jealous once he sees what's behind my zipper!
We really have no choice but to comply, if you want to travel anywhere in the US.
"Those who sacrifice their liberty for safety deserve neither." -Ben Franklin
Glad to know that you would be more of an enabler to the problem than one to stand up for a right that you have or had, that was lost after 9/11.
Wow, this guy has guts.
Way to go.
I wonder how random these random searches are.
And on a related note, some other people ARE starting to take a stand against things like this.
A lot more info is available on that site.
I get tagged for additional screening all the time, but I'll bet it's because I commonly buy my tickets just a couple of hours before departure, and it's usually one way.
I don't see why a 'trusted traveller' program paired with fingerprint scanners isn't a good idea. The existing system is ridiculous, especially for pilots and frequent fliers.
I'm glad he got removed. Flying is not a right it is a privilege and if he doesn't want to comply with a security scan then he shouldn't be allowed to fly.
This same dude would be the first one to sue if somehow a weapon got on to the same plane as he was on. Some people just like overreacting.
The above shows the ignorance of this dude.
So it's OK when Tea Party people protest what they believe to be abuses of our govt. but it's not OK when one protests and brings attention to the scam that was perpetrated on the American people after 9/11?
Am I a Tea Party advocate? lol...
news to me!