California city appoints illegals to city commission

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  1. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    I'm liberal (democratic socialist actually), I do not oppose immigration, but this does not sound legal to me. It appears that the intent is to allow these guys to volunteer as advisers, with the proviso that they do not determine policy. However, I cannot see how advising would not translate into direct influence. No doubt this will be challenged.
     
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    No illegals/no burritos. Think about it America
     
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    Can't wait to hear D.Trump chime in on this one..... :)
     
  5. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    I'm liberal, and I don't endorse the move. However, there are a few things to point out ...

    As the councilmember is an elected official, if his constituents choose they can recall him or vote him out of office in the next election. He did however, run for office telling his people that he would do this if elected, and they still chose to put him in office.

    One of people he selected, came to the U.S. as a minor, (I'm assuming with his family) was the top student in his high school class and has a history of volunteering in the community. This sounds like the kind of individual you want to stay in the country. Booting him out would appear to me to be a ridiculous reaction under the circumstances.
     
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    I can see why you'd want them to deported. What a terrible suck on american society.
     
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    Telling your constituents that you are going to ignore Federal laws if elected first doesn't make what he did any better.

    Getting good grades also doesn't make breaking immigration laws okay. I am curious how he went to school without immigration status? Don't you have to provide the school with a social security number, same for college applications? Is there a default Social Security number to use in case you are illegally in the country, 000-00-0000?

    Now you have illegals in highly visible advisory positions in government and no one that will do anything about it? What kind of message does that send to people on the other sides of the borders?
     
  8. Zombie Acorn thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Taking resources from citizens who pay taxes for schooling, and getting people to show up to blood drives aren't qualifications for immigration status.
     
  9. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    The kid didn't break the law. He was a minor when brought over.

    Meanwhile he's proven to be an asset to the country. Kicking him out at this point would be a foolish waste of resources and immensely unfair to that young man.

    The message that I'm receiving is that you'll make a mountain out of an immigrant molehill.

    But that is exactly what PRSI is for ... building the highest molehill one can, with as much outrage as one can muster.

    Personally, I just see a little pile of dirt.
     
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    Send in a federal agents, arrest him and deport him.

    Not because it is mean...because it's the law.
     
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    I would submit to you that you are out of touch with what is going on in California. They just passed a motor voter registration change in a State that issues licenses to illegals with no controls on the verification of voter eligibility. It is left to local registrar offices to verify the individuals eligibility to vote after they receive the information from the DMV. Should go swimmingly putting such cart before the horse.

    https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160AB1461
     
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    I want him deported because he's willfully breaking the law and he knows it.
     
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    We have Taco Bell. It's all good. Besides, I can make a bad ass burrito on my own.
     
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    That would just make sense though.
     
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    What actually would make sense is the US waking up to reality.

    A reality where these "illegals" are a part of everyday life.

    A reality where the these "illegals" living normal life are at the bottom of the priority list where they belong.

    Trying to "solve" immigration by deporting millions back south is like trying to solve illegal guns by going house to house confiscating them.

    :)
     
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    Don't most students take resources from taxpaying citizens in the form of schooling?
     
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    I am a US immigrant to the UK. Unlike EU citizens, I cannot vote in UK or EU elections even though the US and UK have been allies through 2 world wars and other regional conflicts. The reason for this is that the US cannot reciprocate to allow UK immigrants in the US to vote, as only citizens can vote.

    Either the US should change the law to allow all residents to vote (as if), or the US law should be enforced. In this case, if an undocumented immigrant has contributed to the US society and continues to wish to do so, then why not simply grant him/her citizenship? Because I have been resident of good standing in the UK, I can apply for UK citizenship with minimum of fuss (fees, a background check :oops:, a cultural & language test, and swearing allegiance to the Queen and her heirs (or something equivalent)). The same type of simple process should be true in the US.
     
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    The reality is we shouldn't be putting them in positions like these two were and instead we should make an example of them by doing what needs done. When it's this out in the open an in our face, we need to act. Let's not worry about millions, but we can start with these two. If they are indeed interested in being good citizens, let's see them go about it from the starting point and actually doing it the right way.
     
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    What exactly is wrong with that? Would you rather they drove illegally?
     
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    Like they already do?
    His post is not so much about driving. But the potential mess if they vote
     
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    Too bad the Native Americans didn't do that when John Smith showed up at Jamestown.
     
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    I don't see why I should pay to make sure everyone is smarter and better informed. :mad:
     
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    And what do you suggest he does about it? He came here as a minor, which means he likely had no choice in the matter. Now that he's here, and of legal age, should he abandon his home, everything he's worked for, and haul his happy ass back down south to appease your absolutist sense of justice?
     
  24. Zombie Acorn thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Their parents and grandparents pay or paid taxes to fund the schools.
     
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    Apples and oranges.
     

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