California Tries To Ban Gay "Cure" Therapy

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  1. Mac'nCheese macrumors 68030

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    I was unaware California had a "cure" for homosexuality in the first place.
     
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  4. Mac'nCheese thread starter macrumors 68030

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    It works about as well as the cure for baldness I tried once.
     
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    Saw this in the AMA daily newsletter this morning. Hopefully other states will follow!
     
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    I've actually been working on a cure for heterosexuality.

    Everyone will know it's a success when Eliza Dushku comes out of the closet. ;)
     
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    Got I hope she doesn't come out of the closet, I think she's hot in leather pant! :D

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    I wonder how many licensed therapists actually practice this in CA?

    The real problem with this bill is that it doesn't impede pastors, ministers or "life coaches" from this practice and I have a feeling they are the ones that are more likely carrying it out. Where's the boundary between Religious Freedom and Endangering the Welfare of a Minor?

    http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/04/25/43798
     
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    I didn't know that either but it doesn't surprise me. Homosexuality was looked at as a disease in many psychology textbooks until relatively recently. The APA declassified it as a disease a little less than 40 years ago, and many psychology books have reflected this change only in more recent years. Even the mighty DSM listed homosexuality as a dysfunction until the late 1980s (today it still discusses sexuality dysfunctions as "gender identify disorder" which will be discarded with the next release IIRC and the 'disturbances' look at sexuality issues as not the cause but a symptom of a larger disturbance).
     
  11. AhmedFaisal Guest

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    I'd say we need to be more restrictive about sending kids to shrinks period. This is just the tip of the iceberg. When I was in Highschool half of my class was on some form of psych drug. That can't be right and these drugs all can have some very serious side effects especially when taken over prolonged periods. Often times parents do that to their kids because they don't want to do the hard job that's called parenting so they rather pump them full of pills to keep them quiet. With few exceptions I think shrinks are evil, evil people.
     
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    One potential benefit of this might be making it easier for the victims of these quacks (including the religious ones) to sue them (and their parents) for massive damages.

    There may well be an "ex-gay" therapist somewhere who doesn't deserve to rot in jail for the rest of his life.

    Just because we've never encountered one yet doesn't make it impossible.
     
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    There are a lot of people helped by psychiatrists and psychologists. Remember, psychologists don't even use medicine...rather, they favor "talking therapy" which is unquestionably effective. Many psychologists also specialize in "skills" management of learning disabilities.

    You mentioned most of the kids you went to school with were medicated. One issue is that psychiatrists aren't prescribing these drugs. General practitioners are. Antidepressants, antipsychotics, amphetamines (ADHD medications)...someone goes to their family doctor and they write a script, and indeed these medications can cause far more harm than good. Teachers often tell parents "your kid has ADHD he needs [one of the medications similar in structure to cocaine]"...a mental health professional isn't ever involved and that is the problem.

    Psychologists and psychiatrists are there to get to the root cause. Indeed some are medication machines and they are worsening the problem, but many aren't. They should be the ones prescribing these medications because they have the most training on them. When a shrink says to a parent they won't write a script for Ritalin or something similar, the parent goes to their PCP... I agree we have medicalized much of the world. It's much easier to dope a hyperactive kid in the name of the kid having a disease rather than admit that our teachers are failing to engage students or our parents are sucking at parenting. However, medications that alter brain chemistry to the degree of ones we are talking really need to be managed by a speciality that deals exclusively with them.
     
  14. AhmedFaisal Guest

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    Maybe, but I have seen some really aweful things done to people even without the drugs. My bro-in-law is a perfect example of that. This so called speech therapy has turned him into someone that is angry at everyone and who doesn't take responsibility for any of his actions. He's a total ****up and he blames his parents and his sister for it which is completely ridiculous and turns the problem on it's head which is that he is a lazy piece of **** that doesn't do anything unless it's handed to him on a silver platter.

    Or look at how many cases we have now where a psych manipulated a kid into saying it was abused and it turns out to be untrue. Or look at those that clear a sex offender and as soon as that person is released he goes and rapes and murders another woman or kid. Sorry but I have very little respect for either profession and think their power needs to be severely restricted and regulated.
     
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    While I acknowledge the points you're making, ex-gay therapists have as much in common with psychiatrists as a mugger cutting his victims has with a heart surgeon.
     
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    While abuses of power do exist, it is important to look at the whole picture. That is not to detract from what you have personally witnessed...issues as such absolutely needs attention and illustrate issues do exist. I could argue that the power of primary care physicians should be limited as well given they tend to provide amphetamines, opioids, and antidepressants easier than specialists. Yes, primary care physicians have played a major part in enabling drug addicts, but in the bigger picture, most of what they do is good.
     
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    Perhaps it's not the medical professionals that are the problem, More likely to be the bible bashing religious nutters and their pray the gay away crap. Back in the 60's, I was sprung at my job and the senior administration packed me off to an eminent psychologist who reported back to my employers that 'I was a well adjusted and happy homosexual' and to leave well enough alone. Left the company very soon after that. Oh, the memories.

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