Can Barack Obama undo Bush's tangled legal legacy?

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  1. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    There are so many different ways this country has been running to hell in a handcart, we haven't even scratched the surface of this subject yet:

    A lot of the above suppositions of what Obama might do sound reasonable. But the bipartisan commission idea in particular (the one that would theoretically be led by McCain) is in interesting idea for what it leaves unsaid. Assuming all these people end up getting pre-emptive pardons before Bush leaves, what would be the point of such an exercise? Just finding out who's to blame, even if you can't prosecute them? Or would the purpose be holding responsible the person who ordered the actions and issued the executive pardons?
     
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    Obama has said that they are open to investigating whether crimes were committed, but honestly? HONESTLY? There's simply NO TIME TO DO THIS. "No time for justice?" You ask incredulously? No time for alleged justice mired in politics that derail the rest of the agenda. Minefield, and it could simply be ruled as non-criminal negligence. Let Bush's horrific legacy be his own punishment. The GOP will certainly attempt to bring charges against Obama at some point. The moral high ground is a murky and unclear bluff overlooking a smoking apocalypse. --I'd concentrate on Guantanamo. That's a HUGE problem that Bush refused to deal with. I believe its created more terrorists than its locked up. We can only hope their role model for release is Nelson Mandela.

    Bush created a nasty "where do they go" scenario though. The whole "we don't want them" issue is awful with countries refusing their own citizens.

    As a note, Obama needs to reboot the Justice system early, as is usually done, and not wait for ideological bias concerns to weigh in when cases against Republicans aren't going right. --He should definitely hire on ability, and possible rehire many of those let go.

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    After his first security briefing yesterday....I would think alot of his views just changed ...
     
  4. sushi Moderator emeritus

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    Agree.

    The first time you see the world situation from behind closed doors is surely a sobering experience.
     
  5. skunk macrumors G4

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    Only if you believe in a sanitised version of the world in the first place.
     
  6. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

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    You do realise that entirely innocent people were imprisoned and subjected to torture in Guantanamo without legal rights and access to the Red Cross?
     
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    Sssshh! They were all evildoers. That's all you need to know.
     
  8. és: macrumors 6502a

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    That was the security briefing in a nutshell. He's now a extreme right-wing fundamentalist that wants to take all of our liberty away, burn the world's libraries, switch of tehintarweb and make us all study Christianity 24/7.

    Good times.
     
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    Not all of them, some of them were ner-do-wells

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  10. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

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    Here's a nice post from yesterday's Talking Points Memo:

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    http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/243435.php
     
  11. MacDawg macrumors P6

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    Wow

    Just wow

    Does it feel better when you let that out?

    Woof, Woof - Dawg [​IMG]
     
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    That's a fairly strange response to what was intended to be a light hearted post.

    Gargle, Gargle - Spit.
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  14. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

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    So you would think.


    http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2005/12/09/bush-constitution-just-a-goddamned-piece-of-paper/
     
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    Hmmm, OK, the lightheartedness escaped me at the time as it sounded fairly vitriolic to me in the context... but then again, it is sometimes hard to tell sarcasm from reality here in the PRSI

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  16. Peace macrumors P6

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    BV. That graph was designed by the Bush White House. And yes. The Constitution has always been on top and the VP has always been part of the executive branch of the government with an office in the White House.

    U.S. Constitution Article 2 section 1 :
    http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A2Sec1.html

    Here's the whole picture :
     

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  17. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

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    So you would think. ;)
     
  18. Peace macrumors P6

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    I was referring to the constitution not dick cheney.

    [edit] ahh.. I get it now. Took a shower and a cup of coffee to realize you were being sarcastic. DO'H!
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    When you see raw data, many times it is much different than what you see reported in the media.
     
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    If you base your view of the world on what you read in the media, you are really in trouble.
     
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    Do you realize you are regurgitating kool-aid, Madam Moderator ..??
     
  23. skunk macrumors G4

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    Any chance that you could provide a link to any evidence which says otherwise? Many of the detainees have been released without charge, eventually. Would they do that if they had any evidence?
     

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