Can I try the new MacBook Pro for like a week? Am interested in the wider color gamut

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  1. Hieveryone macrumors 68030

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    I have a late 2013 rMBP, but I've been interested in the new one. I'm interested in the wider color gamut.

    Is there a way I can try the new one for like a week or something and see.
     
  2. BasicGreatGuy Contributor

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    You have bought Apple products before. If you are seriously considering making a purchase, go to the Apple store and spend some time using one of the display models. If after 30 - 1 hr you are still unsure, either make a followup visit and or make the purchase. You are given 14 days to return the product if you decide its not for you, defective etc.

    All you had to do was look at the Apple site to get your answer.
     
  3. Hieveryone thread starter macrumors 68030

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    Yeah but I don't want to buy and return bc that probably hurts apple. Is there another way
     
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    See if you have a friend or co-worker that would allow you to use their MBP for a while.
     
  5. casperes1996 macrumors 68030

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    Have you seen their profits? I think they'll survive, mate.

    PS. Note that the wider colour space only actually makes a difference when viewing content designed for wide colour. Nearly everything on the internet is targeting sRGB
     
  6. MrGuder macrumors 68020

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    These are silly questions, what kind of an answer are you looking for?
     
  7. Hieveryone thread starter macrumors 68030

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    HOLD UP.

    So I have to have photos or video specifically designed for the new MacBook Pro's screen to enjoy it?

    Please explain. I am so lost.

    I thought I could just view any photo of let's say a bird and it would look nicer on the new screen.
     
  8. jerryk macrumors 68040

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    As McGruder says the image has to have data that use the color space. But, the new screen is very nice and really bright. That can make existing image appear more vibrant.
     
  9. Hieveryone thread starter macrumors 68030

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    Lol what in the world.

    I'm sorry but that's pretty messed up.

    Everybody's talking about how great the new screen is and you can't even tell a difference for I'm guessing most stuff that's on the web right now.

    Brighter? Like I have good vision I don't need more bright. Halfway on the brightness is usually enough and no I don't sit on the beach in the sun all day for a living.
     
  10. capathy21 macrumors 65816

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    I wouldn't worry about Apple. If you buy and return it, they will sell it as a refurb and still make major profits. In a way, you would actually be helping someone else get a good deal:)
     
  11. Hieveryone thread starter macrumors 68030

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    Yeah but if the better screen doesn't apply to most of the web's photos and videos then what's the point
     
  12. Sanpete macrumors 68020

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    The new screen has about 50% higher contrast, which is noticeable at less than the highest brightness.

    A lot of video is in the P3 color space when shot, but you don't see it that way much except in theaters or UHD Blu-ray or UHD streaming. So if you edit video, you may see the difference, or if you use UHD video on your MBP. There's a little web content in P3, but not much.
     
  13. Hieveryone thread starter macrumors 68030

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    Can't I just adjust contrast on my 2013 mbpr by downloading an app or something.........
     
  14. tsang2320 macrumors regular

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    I have never done that but you can ask the staff to move you a chair :D
    maybe bring your own machine to compare them side by side.
     
  15. Samuelsan2001 macrumors 604

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    The point is for people editing photos and videos so they can get the colour they want so what they print or output professionally is what they are actually seeing on the screen.

    The screen will look fantastic with viewing web content but that is not the point of the increased colour gamut screen.

    Buy and return to try one out its the only way unless you know someone's who will lend you their shiny new MacBook Pro.
     
  16. SteveJUAE macrumors 68000

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    For bright colours and deep blacks get an AMOLED screen for more natural colours and sharpness get an IPS LCD screen

    Anything with 350-450 nits should be more than sufficient for most people

    The new mac MBP display upper settings etc is more aimed at professionals for proofing prior to printing
     
  17. SarcasticJoe macrumors 6502a

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    The thing about displaying images with a wider color gamut, i.e a lot of colors, is that the more colors you want to use, the more memory and other machine resources you're going to end up spending on those colors. On top of that you're always going to be limited by what your display can show and super wide gamut monitors have up until very recently been very rare and thus also expensive. Image compression, be it for still images or moving pictures, has always been trying to find the best possible compromise and sRGB has for a long time been what people have considered the best one.

    sRGB was originally developed for consumer CRT monitors back in the 1990s and still continues to be used to this day due to the simple fact that most displays owned by people still can't display a wider color gamut than the sRGB standard. We're only now starting to see any significant effort to have content distributed using a color gamut wider than sRGB and that's mostly because of wide color gamuts being among the main selling points for 4k TVs and 4k content (both streamed and on physical media).

    As for internet content, bandwidth is always limited so distribution platforms like youtube will obviously be pretty hesitant in starting to offer wide color gamut content until wide color gamut displays are the norm and not the exception.
     
  18. casperes1996 macrumors 68030

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    No, no, no, mate

    I recommend you read some Display reviews and tests of laptop displays on www.anandtech.com to get a better understanding of all of this.
    There's a difference between the displayed contrast - i.e. what you're talking about, and the range of contrasts the display can show at once with granularity. Think of it this way. A display with a higher contrast ratio can display many more shades of each colour, where as bumping up the contrast merely increases the difference between the colour values.

    The new screen will still look better with any content though the difference will be limited to the bump in contrast and brightness, unless you view content specifically made for the P3 colour space. macOS is the only colour managed platform aside from iOS, meaning it'll automatically show the right colours no matter if it's sRGB or P3. If you however plug a P3 monitor into a Windows PC, what it'll do, is actually show incorrect colours most the time, until you show an image made for the P3 colour space. Microsoft's own Surface Studio negates this issue by implementing manual user switching of colour spaces, so the user has to know which colour space the content is in, and change the entire display's colour profile through a LUT (look up table for converting colour values). macOS/iOS is brillant when it comes to this stuff and just deals with everything on its own.

    Even if you get a 5k iMac, your image won't look sharp, if it's only 1MP. To get an image that takes up the entire screen and looks sharp as possible, it needs to match the display resolution or exceed it, at at least 15MP. Same thing goes for colour. If you shoot an image with a certain colour space, how would the image improve from being shown on a better screen? The problem outlined with Windows above, is that it can only assume content fits one colour space at a time, and either takes everything as sRGB or everything as P3 or whatever. Individual apps on Windows can colour manage themselves, but on macOS, it's within the OS.
    You can play 32kbps audio on the best speakers in the world, and it'll still sound ****. Both content and output device need to match, otherwise one will bottleneck the other.
     
  19. thadoggfather macrumors G3

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    That's what a return policy is for, at least in part...

    If its not worth it, return it?

    You'll be bothering your friend you ask with a straight face to borrow their machine for a week, a lot more than a potential return to Apple if need be
     
  20. gordi macrumors newbie

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    If I am streaming video in Safari, but through Adobe Flash Player, is that still considered iOS, I mean, will iOS be showing the exact correct colors, correcting it properly to be precise?

    I compared the 2016 and 2015 with streaming some video through Adobe Flash Player and noticed a slight difference in the colors, peoples' skin for example looked a bit more yellow and tan on the 2016, and a bit more pink and pale on the 2015. Why would that be?
     
  21. SoyCapitanSoyCapitan macrumors 68040

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    Yep, wide colour gamuts are not yet supported by web browsers and even some apps like file managers don't display wide gamut profiles properly.

    They are until today used by photographers to avoid banding issues because when printing it helps that the gamut was wide as possible in the first place because CMYK has a smaller gamut than RGB.

    Now DCI P3 wide gamuts are being used in video to produce vivid images and this is the gamut Apple supports. It's not comparable to Adobe RGB if you want natural delicate skin tones in images. That's why it isn't supported by still image cameras.

    Just bear in mind these things:

    - The wide gamut only means that you have a wider palette to choose from. Format mean that you can see or use all those colours at the same time because...

    - Your eyes will still never be able to see more than 10 million colours if you are a regular trichromat human being.

    - Likewise your screen at 4K is only displaying about 7 million pixels.

    - And most images only have several thousand different colours.

    You keep these points in mind and then you won't need to go mental over "gamuts". Leave that to Pros.

    MBP or iPhone will makes your images pop anyway because they have deeper contrast and very bright screens. But this is NOT what you want if you are producing content. Hence true professional screens like Eizo monitors have less contrast and show more natural tonal range.
     
  22. BarracksSi Suspended

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    Do this. ^^^^^^ They absolutely will not give you grief about bringing your own laptop to compare directly.

    Then go to this page for a quick reference between the two displays:
    https://webkit.org/blog-files/color-gamut/

    FWIW, you can view the wider gamut on new iPhones and iPads, too.
     
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    It's called a MacBook Pro cause it's for Professionals, who use it for work producing video and images for professional applications. It's not designed to be a $2,500 Facebook and Porn machine, despite so many people using it that way. ;-)
     
  25. turbineseaplane macrumors 68040

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    Uhh - are we sure people fitting that description don't simply plug in a larger display?
    (Rendering the internal display largely moot)

    Also "professional" in no way correlates necessarily to "video and image work".
    It simply means you make money from your work, whatever that may be.
     

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