Can we say the iphone is a Chinese product?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by earwax69, Sep 18, 2012.

  1. earwax69 macrumors member

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    I know the Iphone is created by US engineers. However all the production is made in China. Hundreds of thousands of workers.

    I am starting to feel guilty about spending so much of my money on products that are made in China. China is becoming the world first economy mainly because everything we create is manufactured in China. It give more money to the CEOs and share holders but the production cost leave America for good.

    I really dont know... I guess I am depressed about the vulgar anti-japan protest we see in China right now...

    China is not a USA friendly country. Their recent armament programs are directly weighted against USA air carriers and weapon technology. It's not pretty. And we are financing it.

    One thing is sure though. If we continue like this, there will be less and less money here and more and more in China. :(


    Edit; no... this is not a racist rant. I think it's time for some adult self introspection. Maybe it's time to tell US companies that we might be willing to spend more if the money stays here.
     
  2. davidgnomo macrumors 6502a

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    Yes ... it is definitely a Chinese product, manufactured in China but conceived in the USA : I don't think that Chinese companies could have conceived a product like this (at least not in the short term), but I don't think that it could be manufactured in the USA keeping the same prices/incomes ...
     
  3. hobx, Sep 18, 2012
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    Maybe I should feel guilty about buying american products and only buy british phones from now on....wait a minute...there are no british phones.

    Its a global economy. Politicions always become isolationist in times of economic grief but the truth is if China is doing good, America does good, Europe does good. And actually China is not doing well like the rest of us. Their deficit is rising and so are wages, essentially they are moving from a developing country to a developed one and as such the advantage of manufacturing in china is disapearing and firms are moving back to the US. Of course this may just mean they move to another developing nations such as Malaysia.



    How do you feel about the anti american protests in the middle east? The truth is this a rediculously complicated historic relationship and the "good guys" arent necessarily who you think they are (read: Japan)

    Edit: Managed to cut this the first time round somehow. China is VERY USA friendly. They want to buy and sell with you, not make war.

    Doesn't sound Racist, just typically western. :)


    Edit 2: And regarding the actual question. I would say no, its not a Chinese product. The Chinese are great at applied sciences, but the rigid culture doesn't lend itself to innovation. Hence all the piracy....
     
  4. Steve121178 macrumors 68040

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    No guilt here. Tech & gadgets are made in China and the far east to make them cheaper for us to buy and make the likes of Apple more money.

    I don't care where it's made. What I do know is that if they were made in the USA they'd cost 2-3 times more to cover the labour and extra manufacturing costs. Then you'd have all the problems with Unions, strikes, people not turning up for work, people suing their employers for spilling their coffee over themselves... I could go on.
     
  5. Sedrick macrumors 68030

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    The thing I feel bad about is the sickening amount of money Apple is raking in on the backs of cheap, Chinese labor. Don't tell me, with the percentage of profit they make on each phone that they couldn't at least afford to have the damn thing assembled in the US. Don't be so proud of your almighty Apple.
     
  6. Menel macrumors 603

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    They can't build them here. The US doesn't have the infrastructure on the scale we demand of Apple.

    Have you been living under a rock? Paying no attention to the news? Apple's soaring stock price, incredible profit margin, over 100b or so in stock piled cash, and the shrinking profits and revenue of their manufacturing partners in China. Money not staying here? What!
     
  7. hobx macrumors regular

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    I know. How dare they employ people at competative rates and actually make a profit. The bastards.
     
  8. ZBoater macrumors G3

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    No, they couldn't. With union labor demanding $75/hr, getting paid even when production slows, not allowing one worker to do someone else's job, mega salaries for the union bosses, healthcare benefits and generous retirement pensions, etc. etc., the not only would NOT make a profit, they'd have to sell the thing for $2000 a piece just to break even. Ask GM.... :apple:
     
  9. earwax69 thread starter macrumors member

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    Thanks Hobx for your feedback. Somehow you are reassuring me. Obviously you know markets rules better than me.

    That hold true if the market is in extension but we are reaching a capacity limit here I think... someone always have to pay for others profits.
    I think both Muslims and Chinese are acting on propanganda from their respective authorities. It's well known that the japaneses were horrible in the past wars but I cannot link the current generations to that reality. Not at all. However Korea and China are still living in that foggy dream. Clearly anti-japan sentiment is used in China when the Chinese government want to divert attention from delicate internal situation.

    China's people maybe, but you cannot deny we are the ennemy for them. There's no trust at all in our relationship.
     
  10. Ice Dragon macrumors 6502a

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    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1436743

    See my thread here. You kind of have to accept that all your major electronics are made in China or elsewhere. If you want to buy American, do a Google search for a specific item you are looking for and make sure you are not only getting good quality but also not paying too much.
     
  11. thewitt macrumors 68020

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    No, it's an American product manufactured in China.
     
  12. edk99 macrumors 6502a

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    Adding on to what ZBoater was saying is there is no way in hell you can produce the iPhone or iPad in the US with the quantity of devices needed by Apple. There is no place in this country that you you can have 150,000 assembly line workers working around the clock under one roof to put together a product like this. Most cities are not even that big. It is just economically not feasible.

    I don't feel bad one bit. The people that work at foxcon are well paid for china wages plus working and living conditions have improved over the year. People come from all over the country to get a job there. Heck they just hired 20,000 workers just to ramp up for the iPhone5 production.
     
  13. elistan macrumors 6502a

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    It's an American product assembled in China. Assembled from components manufactured in Korea, Taiwan, maybe other places like Malaysia, maybe China too but I'm not sure - and Austin, Texas. Yup, Apple's A5 processor is manufactured by Samsung in Texas.

    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-austin-apple-ipad-iphone,17127.html

    So no, we cannot honestly say that the iPhone is a Chinese product.
     
  14. jnpy!$4g3cwk macrumors 65816

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    Hi, Mitt! I didn't know that you had time to spend on online forums.
     
  15. Huntn macrumors G5

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    An extreme but accurate view:
    This is not a revelation. Patriotic, maximize their profit, multinational corporations know how to make profits. They don't really care about workers, who are viewed as little worker ants, who in the case of U.S. workers don't even deserve to have a job manufacturing their product, because they demand too much, like being able to buy a house, raise a family, live basically a good life.

    A realistic view:
    Globalization is here to stay.

    I'm happy that Apple has U.S. origins. I believe it's the epitome of the inventive and innovative spirit. Should I shun Apple? Should I shun all products made in Asia? I've read of families who have tried and it's practically impossible unless you don't mind doing without.

    The world economy is not controlled. As soon as the first corporation moved it's manufacturing to China, the current situation was destined. Arguably this is a problem with capitalism. It won't correct itself until more focus is placed on improving society as a whole and less emphasis on self enrichment- more focus on "us" and less on "me". It might be described as a form of socialism. I know there are readers who will hate the idea. :)
     

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