Canada Bars George Galloway

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  1. yojitani macrumors 68000

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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/mar/21/george-galloway-canada

    This is absurd. I have my reservations about George Galloway, but he is neither a threat nor an anti-Semite. It is troubling that his stance against Israeli genocide is clearly being interpreted by government officials as tantamount to anti-Semitism.

    I found in another article some quotes from the group who 'brought his visit to the attention of the Canadian government. They see him as a supporter of Hamas and Hezbollah? Perhaps they just don't like the fact that after Israel decimated the Gaza strip, Galloway had the gall to help people?? (I'm referencing Viva Palestina, for those who might not know).
     
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    Disgusting. If he was preaching hatred about, and inciting hatred/violence towards, Jews then I wouldn't have a problem with a ban - I'd support it - but that couldn't be further from the truth.
     
  3. Macky-Mac macrumors 68030

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    I'm sure Galloway is absolutely delighted by this. He seems to like nothing better than a bit of political theater with himself in the starring role.

    According to one of the articles yojitani linked;

    infandous? now there's an interesting word to describe Galloway
     
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    If he seeks the limelight then I believe it is simply for the platform to spread his thoughts. Why wouldn't any politician want that?

    Good on them, I say.

    I think it is disrespectful, myself.
     
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    One of Canada's greatest weaknesses is that free speech is not adequately protected.
     
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    Agreed. No question about it... the UK has a few recent examples that demonstrate similar weaknesses.
     
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    Care to share them (This is where you talk about Wilders and Phelps and I remind you that inciting hatred and violence isn't protected by free speech. Lets just save our finger tips)

    Free speech doesn't mean that you can say whatever you like, whenever you like, wherever you like. If it did, then I wouldn't support it.
     
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    To my understanding, their past speeches were completely lawful. In any event, if they're breaking the law, they should be sent to jail. They shouldn't be prevented from speaking out (freedom of expression) before it potentially happens.

    I believe that when in doubt, side with Freedom of Speech... and if all other avenues have been exhausted or if the law is being broken, then deal with it accordingly.

    Many times I think people start with the opposite assumption...

    Standing up for someone's right of free speech and expression does not by any stretch of the imagination indicate some sort of appreciation or approval of the content of said expression, you agree with that don't you?
     
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    Then you don't support free speech.
     
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    Maybe we had just link to the Wilders thread at this point? Can't imagine much more is going to come of this discussion than that one.
     
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    They do incited hatred and violence, though. Which is why they were denied entry to Britain.

    I agree, they do. However, in certain cases there are real legitimate reasons for stopping actions before they happen. It is a tricky subject and pulling away from the subject a little, so I think I'll leave my views in the previous thread (where this matter was discussed in great length).
     
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    Then so be it.
     
  13. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    Perhaps the words I speak in this forum are inciting hatred towards communists.
    Perhaps Blue's words incite hatred against pro-lifers.
    Perhaps Lee's words incite hatred against homophobes.

    The thing I'm trying to avoid is a few people deciding that one person's language is not withing their liking, and inciting hatred... which is of course an opinion most of the time.

    I believe in freedom of speech to the greatest extent of the law. I do not believe that any of these individuals should have been blocked entry... regardless of my personal feelings of their political and social viewpoints.

    I respect your right to disagree, 'es... but won't be granting your access into my country because of your long history of inciting hatred against pro-free-speechers. ;) :) (kidding)
     
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    There are specific criteria for incitement of hatred and violence, though.

    Is everything acceptable? I don't think it is and if that means I don't believe in free speech then I don't believe in it, at least not entirely unrestricted.
     
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    Depends on who defines what's acceptable.
     
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    The law of the land, of course.

    ''The starting point is the human rights act (1988). It will be subject to such restrictions that are necessary in the interests of national security or public safety or for the prevention of disorder or crime. These restrictions may change from time to time. It is an offence at common law to incite another person to commit a criminal offence''
     
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    The western English speaking nations as a whole fail to protect free speech.

    The UK recently banned "extreme pornography."
    The US imprisoned a woman for "obscenity" based on TEXT SHE POSTED TO HER WEBSITE and imprisoned Max Hardcore for distributing obscenity based on his pornography.
    Canada arrested a man for having cartoon pornography because the cartoons "looked like children." (also the thread topic)

    Unfortunately, none of our countries have the high ground here. :(
     
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    If we're really going to push the boat out we'd have to say that non-western, non-English speaking countries tend to have a pretty poor record with this :D

    All in all, I feel like I am pretty free to do what I want and say what I like. I certainly don't feel censored or restricted in any way. I don't think most Americans or Canadians do, either.
     
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    You throw out words like "Israeli genocide" which has no relation to reality whatsoever and clearly illustrates that its not the issue of Freedom of Speech for Galloway that has you fired up, but that a virulent anti-Israel guy like Galloway is barred from Canada.

    What genoicde are you referring to? I say this as someone who knows very well what genocide is, being the son of an Auschwitz survivor whose whole extended family was wiped out. I also served in the IDF in the paratroops so I know how the IDF works. There is NOT ONE COUNTRY or army in the world that would have acted with as much restraint and given as much notice of an upcoming attack as Israel has done.

    Israel is fighting a long standing war that reaches back not only way before the recent actions in Gaza but even before the creation of the State of Israel. Israel is fighting Iran backed terror in the form of Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Hizbollah.



     
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    Complete and utter nonsense and there are examples of this, but has nothing to do with this thread. I do urge you to post in the Israeli/Palestine thread, though.
     
  21. XnavxeMiyyep macrumors 65816

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    This is true; I'm just most familiar with the countries that speak English. I'm not sure of the details of other countries.

    Most Americans or Canadians is not good enough. I'm sure Karen Fletcher didn't feel restricted until she was sentenced with obscenity for a story she made up and put on her personal site.
     
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    Problem with that again though is that it's so open to abuse. 'In the interests of national security' or 'prevention of disorder or crime' could be used to stop union leaders speaking for example.
     
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    China, North Korea, Saudi Arabia etc, etc, etc. Not really known for their love of free speech and tolerance :D


    I'll have to take your word on Karen Fletcher, I've never heard of her.
     
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    Well obviously. But if we claim to be so much better, we should always practice what we preach. I hold my own society to a higher standard.

    She's a woman who wrote "obscene" stories on her personal website. Someone found her, and she was charged. At least Max Hardcore is prepared for this sort of injustice, since it's what his industry has always dealt with.
     
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    Ok, show me examples of a country that had thousands of rockets fired at its civilians and didn't do anything. Show me a country that had 60 years of terror attacks and didn't do anything.

    Did the US, Britian warn Iraqis when they were bombing Baghdad? Does Canada warn Afghans when they attack? Did NATO warn Serbians when they bombed Serbia?

     

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