Canada Legalizes same sex marriages

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solvs

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Good for them. I'm not gay, but I wouldn't want to be told who I could and couldn't love. That's probably not going to happen here any time soon.
 

runninmac

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Im glad that they changed their laws. Everyone should be able to have the right to be equal to men at women couples. Im not gay but I hate that theyre treated unfairly.
 

Sayhey

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I'm kind of surprised I haven't heard more spontaneous renditions of "O Canada" on the streets of San Francisco. Always thought our northern neighbors had more than just a little common sense in dealing with social issues we can't help but get all worked up about. Good for Canada!

PS - I understand the Upper House of Parliment still has to approve, but it seems a forgone conclusion after this vote.
 

Sayhey

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This seems to be catching!

Spain's lower house of parliament has voted in favour of allowing gay couples to marry and adopt children.
The controversial decision overrules last week's rejection of the bill by the upper house, the Senate.

The bill will become law in a month's time, making Spain Europe's third nation after the Netherlands and Belgium to allow same sex marriages.

Polls suggest most Spaniards back the move, although two weeks ago thousands joined a Madrid rally against the bill.
BBC
 

zimv20

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Sayhey's BBC article said:
Spain's lower house of parliament has voted in favour of [...] decision overrules last week's rejection of the bill by the upper house, the Senate.
i think it's time i learned how spain's government operates.
 

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solvs said:
Good for them. I'm not gay, but I wouldn't want to be told who I could and couldn't love. That's probably not going to happen here any time soon.
I was brought up in a pretty strict Christian household so they'd butcher me if they knew I felt this way, but I completely agree. It's only fair that people of all orientations are allowed to have legally binding marriages! I wonder, if everyone could marry whomever he/she wanted, would the divorce stats be more optimistic? I don't know anything as for the stats of same-gender partnerships and whatnot.
 

pulsewidth947

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'bout time too. I really cant believe its taking this long. Its tragic that gay people can be treated as second class citizens in this day and age.

Yet another blow for discrimination *cheers* :cool: Just imagine what a gay wedding would be like: I dont wish to generalise but all my gay friends have incredible taste in style :D
 

stridey

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pulsewidth947 said:
Just imagine what a gay wedding would be like: I dont wish to generalise but all my gay friends have incredible taste in style :D
I don't have to imagine, I've been! We have family friends who've been together for over 15 years, and finally got to tie the knot. It was pretty emotional for a lot of people there. And yes, everything was very stylish. :D
 

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I find it amazing how many people respond to gay topics with a thoughtful response, either for or against, and then if they are pro-gay in their comment they feel the need to throw in "I'm not gay by the way..." or something along those lines. If you are not gay, fine for you. If you are gay, fine for you. Either way, I honestly don't care, no need to share. I'm more interested in your opinion of the ruling than of your personal sexual interest. Not pointed at anyone in particular, not angry, just found it curious and a little funny to me that the little clarifying line has to be thrown in there.

It doesn't bother me that Canada approved same-sex marriages, it doesn't make me all smiles and chuckles either. Personally I think that the choices of all human beings, regardless of sexual preference, should be respected and honored.

pulsewidth947 said:
<snip>Just imagine what a gay wedding would be like: I dont wish to generalise but all my gay friends have incredible taste in style :D
I have both stylish and non-stylish friends, tasty and non-tasty friends as well. I have known some gay people with impecible taste and style, others can't tie their shoes when it comes to style and fashion. Stereotypically I see your point, that is grouping gay men with the über-feminine or just the fashion concious males which are more frequent in today's society. Gay men can like football too you know, or hunting, or boxing. They are still men :cool:
 

stridey

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efoto said:
I find it amazing how many people respond to gay topics with a thoughtful response, either for or against, and then if they are pro-gay in their comment they feel the need to throw in "I'm not gay by the way..." or something along those lines.
Now you see the homophobia inherent in the system! Do you see the homophobia inherent in the system? Help, help, I'm being oppressed!

Yeah, it's sad that the homophobia extends so deeply that we feel a need to "defend" ourselfs against any possible gaydom attacks just to say we're happy about a civil rights victory.
 

IJ Reilly

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stridey said:
Now you see the homophobia inherent in the system! Do you see the homophobia inherent in the system? Help, help, I'm being oppressed!

Yeah, it's sad that the homophobia extends so deeply that we feel a need to "defend" ourselfs against any possible gaydom attacks just to say we're happy about a civil rights victory.
Now, now, don't be so quick on that trigger. Everybody has a sexual identity, that they prefer not to have others mistake. That's neither homophobia nor heterophobia, it's just part of our lives as sexual creatures.
 

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IJ Reilly said:
Now, now, don't be so quick on that trigger. Everybody has a sexual identity, that they prefer not to have others mistake. That's neither homophobia nor heterophobia, it's just part of our lives as sexual creatures.
Exactly.
 

michaelrjohnson

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I'm very happy for the Canadians at this point! Unfortunately, our right-wing ultra-conservative government won't give equality the time of day. It's very embarassing, as an American.
 

stridey

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IJ Reilly said:
Now, now, don't be so quick on that trigger. Everybody has a sexual identity, that they prefer not to have others mistake. That's neither homophobia nor heterophobia, it's just part of our lives as sexual creatures.
On an individual basis, perhaps, but in the "couple still holding hands after 80 years" thread you didn't get a lot of posts saying "now, I'm not straight or anything, but I think it's great that they're still married." I'm not saying it's homophobia on individuals' parts, but the fact that those statements are so prominent is indicative of the bias inherent in society.
 

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IJ Reilly said:
Now, now, don't be so quick on that trigger. Everybody has a sexual identity, that they prefer not to have others mistake. That's neither homophobia nor heterophobia, it's just part of our lives as sexual creatures.
I'm not so sure the defenses are not rooted in homophobia. You don't know me, I don't know you, I am not planning dating you, nor do I honestly value your opinion of my personal life unless I specifically ask you about a certain aspect of my life.

If I say I'm glad that there was a human rights victory, in this case about gay-rights concerning the right homosexual marriage, and then follow it up by saying, "I'm not gay btw" how do you read that? What is the point of me saying that to you? Am I gaining anything by saying that? Are you losing anything if I don't say it? If you assume I am gay solely because I didn't say "I'm not gay" then you are jumping to conclusions. I don't see the upside other than personal defense to stating your sexual preference online, unless it is relevant to the conversation, which in this case I don't think it is. I purposefully didn't share my sexual preference because there is no point in doing so.

"that they prefer not to have others mistake"
I don't get this. We are online, on an internet forum discussing computers of all things. We have avatars that don't represent us realistically (except for mine :rolleyes: ), we have internet 'handles' because we don't want to share our real names, 90%+ don't fill out their profile information for god only knows why (myself included) but I'm willing to bet it is a subconcious self-presevation/protection mentality, etc etc. Now of all the things to share that might help me get to know you, in this setting, in this place, does your sexual preference have any bearing whatsoever?
 

michaelrjohnson

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stridey said:
On an individual basis, perhaps, but in the "couple still holding hands after 80 years" thread you didn't get a lot of posts saying "now, I'm not straight or anything, but I think it's great that they're still married." I'm not saying it's homophobia on individuals' parts, but the fact that those statements are so prominent is indicative of the bias inherent in society.
I understand your point, and I see how you're getting that based on IJReilly's comment. But I don't feel that it's really a true litmus test for our society's biases. (Which exist, especially toward homosexuals).

Let's take a gay man (for example). If everyone that he talked to assumed, and talked to him as a straight man; don't you think that at some point he might correct them?

It's just a matter of personal identity.
 

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