Canada's "Unsustainable" Healthcare System

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  1. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    According to the International Monetary Fund (IMF), Canada's Socialized Healthcare model as it is today is completely unsustainable. Who would have seen that coming?


     
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    They could have misunderestimated our unsustainableness.
     
  4. Sydde macrumors 68020

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    Very unlikely. The IMF is sort of a philosophical cousin to the WTO or the World Bank. Their interest lies in facilitating markets and private industry. The state of a private market is not a concern to them, it is in its natural state. Industry must have access to the resources needed to "create wealth", of which government-controlled markets are one. The slightest hint of vulnerability in a public system represents an opportunity for private industry to gain access to more resources. Because of this, due salt should be taken with information presented by this source.
     
  5. skunk macrumors G4

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    Anyone with two brain cells to rub together is aware that with an ageing population and a shrinking birthrate ALL countries are going to face increased costs and increased difficulties in maintaining their healthcare systems, whether public or private. Are you going to offer a constructive argument here, or are you simply gloating inanely about a common problem?
     
  6. StruckANerve macrumors 6502

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    Every facet of our society on a planetary scale is unsustainable. All this bickering and posturing over things like healthcare is pointless. We should be putting every available dollar to finding an alternative to fossil fuels. Oil drives everything. Food, transportation, technology is all dependent on oil and if predictions on peak oil are correct we are going to be in serious peril. It still astounds me that people don't think that our "War on Terror" is nothing but a last ditch grab at the few remaining oil reserves left on the planet.
     
  7. NickZac macrumors 68000

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    It's a worldwide trend. NOT ONE health care design in any industrialized country is sustainable.
     
  8. Sydde macrumors 68020

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    By your logic (inferentially) healthcare is on the wrong side of improving the situation. The inference is that the fundamental origin of the problem is over-population. If that is the case, effective healthcare will simply make things worse.
     
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    And yet, after having pulled out of Iraq, you came away with NO more oil then was previously secured. I can't believe there are still people who want to claim that was about oil :rolleyes:.

    (Sidenote: I"m not claiming it was entirely about "ending terror" either, just that it wasn't oil driven.)
     
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    It is making things worse. As technology and healthcare improves the natural environmental controls the planet uses to maintain balance are being eliminated.
     
  11. skunk macrumors G4

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    I hope you are not implying that we should all aim for less efficient healthcare in the interests of self-preservation.
     
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    We went after Saddam because he was keeping Iraq's oil fields Nationalized.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/27/AR2009062702233.html
     
  13. eawmp1 macrumors 601

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    We in medicine have allowed you to live longer, thereby allowing you to suffer through more illnesses and degenerative processes in older age.

    It's your job to pay for it. While the term "rationing" is a dirty word, with any limited resource, if demand outstrips supply one must "rationally allocate" resources. Our species has some hard choices to make, and a dearth of leadership and wisdom to even begin a constructive dialogue.
     
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    For people who accept that there are somewhere between three to thirty times as many humans as this earth (ecosystem) can support, the healthcare situation can be a bit of a quandary. Birth control is an inadequate avenue for dealing with the problem, yet I, personally, am not prepared to voluntarily cede my space that others may get a nano-fraction of relief. After all, I would most likely be replaced by several more rapacious of my species.
     
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    It's not a dearth of leadership or wisdom, but an excess of stupidity and stubborness.
     
  16. Surely Guest

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    Then it's your job to not charge patients $40 for a couple of Advils during a hospital stay.
     
  17. Neolithium macrumors 6502a

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    Fortunately if Canada's healthcare falls into the crapper, me and my family are still covered from A to Z. :cool: Job perks can often be fantastic.
     
  18. eawmp1 macrumors 601

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    It's called cost shifting. Those who can pay are charged so that after adjustments by third party payers who reimburse pennies on the dollar, there is enough padding to cover the uninsured who by law cannot be turned away from ER's. This is the great irony of those against "socialized medicine"...you are already paying a significant price (albeit indirectly) for the uninsured.

    Univeral healthcare would ensure a baseline level of medical care for all. With emphasis on preventative medicine and healthy lifestyle, we could have the finest healthcare system, not a great (expensive) sickcare system.
     
  19. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Singapores seems to be - and they only spend 4% of GDP on healthcare.
     
  20. Neolithium macrumors 6502a

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    90+ % of westerners wouldn't be willing to put up with what helps boost the economy of Singapore. People are too greedy here, to join the attitudes that they have there ;)
     
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    Oh, I know what it is. It shouldn't be allowed. The reason third party payers find ways to pay pennies on the dollar is to ensure a greater profit each year. That shouldn't be allowed either. These middlemen need to be eliminated.

    I have no problem with healthcare providers (doctors, nurses, etc.) being paid fairly for their work.

    Agreed.
     
  22. eawmp1 macrumors 601

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    The Singapore model has SOME attractive features on the surface. However, comparing Singapore, a small city-state with a younger, more homogenous population, generally eating better, with the US is difficult. Add to that the somewhat paternalistic governament mandates that run smack dab into US citizens' desire for freedom from goverment interference and general sense for a need for equality in care, and you start to run into troubles.
     
  23. Neolithium macrumors 6502a

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    I don't think most people do. It was thanks to specialists here in Canada that 2 of my kids are still alive to this day, and they did a hell of a lot of work that as far as I'm concerned went above and beyond their salaries, to get things right. I know for a fact that specialists here in Canada are very much underpaid compared to their American counterparts, which helped fuel the exodus a few years back of many outstanding practitioners to south of the border clinics.
     
  24. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Fair point.
     
  25. iJohnHenry macrumors P6

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    I would not be so quick to smug. ;)

    Benefits are after Government medical has been applied. If there is nothing in the pot, well then it's up to the limits on your coverage.

    On a cheerier note, http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/health/new-test-detects-cancer-earlier

    We need breakthroughs, such as this appears to be, to ease the age discrepancies.
     

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