Casino Gambling: Why is it being pushed so hard?

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  1. FrankBlack macrumors 6502

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    I fully expect to get flamed for this thread, but hey, that's the nature of on-line forums, right? :rolleyes: Anyway,,

    The town of Middleborough, MA, recently voted (overwhelmingly) to permit an Indian casino to be built in their town. Middleborough is a sleeply bedroom community, the type of place people move to, in order to escape big cities and congested suburbs. It's the type of place some of you may have only seen on a postcard. That may change soon.

    The state of MA presently does not permit Casino Gambling, but a bill to change this is now being considered by the legislature. When the legislature returns in the fall, the gaming company lobbyists will be all over the state house like flies on,,well, you know. If the bill to allow casino gambling passes the legislature and is signed into law (No one seems to know what Governor Patrick's position is on this yet. Whether he signs it, vetoes it, or let's it sit on his desk for ten days, and become law by default, is up in the air.) Middleborough will have the final go ahead to build a planned, enormous casino-resort complex, on par with the two huge ones in Connecticut. A lot of people, including a lot of senior citizens, want this to happen. "It will create jobs, and really bolster the economy!" we are told, sometimes ad nauseum.

    So, what's my problem? It's just this: This country has lost almost all of its manufacturing jobs. Even the simplest of kitchen tools are made in China. Shoes, clothes, toys, (presently in the news) and pretty much everything else is made in China, a nation which, forty years ago, referred to the U.S. as "imperialist running dogs". My, how things have changed. Jobs that used to employ Americans for decades at a time simply aren't there anymore. I'm sure everyone agrees that not everyone is cutout to be a software engineer, graphics designer, or investment banker. Someone has to make the steel, patrol the streets, build the buildings, wire the buildings, solder the components onto the PC boards, and machine the parts. Apparently, such people aren't part of "the new economy".

    Shouldn't the fact that so many people, including a huge number of elected officials, are touting legalized casino gambling as a means to "bring the economy back", be setting off alarms? Or am I the only one bothered by this? All I can think of, are the senior citizens I see at my local convenience store, who throw away twenty, thirty, even a hundred bucks, on the foolish scratch lottery tickets, then get excited when the have "a ten dollar winner, right here!" As the kids on AOL say, "WTF?"

    Have at it.
     
  2. MacNut macrumors Core

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    Our 2 indian casinos in CT bring in 70 million a month just on slots, that is a lot of easy money for states. The state made a deal that gives them 25% of the profits on slot machines.
     
  3. fotografica macrumors 68040

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    The state views it as another revenue stream.Legalize it and get a cut they figure. "Tax em all" Deval hasn't said much on this issue yet. They've wanted to build one on the Suffolk Downs site for years now. I think it's only a matter of time before it happens here in MA..
     
  4. Desertrat macrumors newbie

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    We elect folks who promise goodies from the public coffers, which means the tax money's gotta come from somewhere.

    Empty factory buildings don't appraise as high for ad valorem taxation as they do when they're busy. Lower-paid workers don't spend as much, so the take from sales taxes is reduced. But ya gotta keep those bennies coming, if ya wanna get re-elected.

    Our culture makes it easy to get folks into casinos, which provide jobs--even if not all that high-paying--and cash flow. And taxes as a percent of the take. why "our culture"? Because we're wired up to try and cut a fat hog in the butt and make a killing all at once--which is the premise of casino gambling (Pardon me, "gaming", as they call it in Vegas.): Jackpot!

    But it's against the law for a few friends to have a money game of poker at home. Why? Only because the state can't steal any tax money there...

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  5. MACDRIVE macrumors 68000

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    I hate gambling and I hate casinos; if there were a way to destroy all of the buildings without hurting anyone, that's what I would like to do. :mad:
     
  6. OnceUGoMac macrumors 6502a

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    I'm not sure what the OPs gripe is, but it'll bring jobs in and they pay decently well. An entry level casino teller position here starts off at $11. Much higher than minimum wage, but obvious.

    Why?
     
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    I do not support casino gambling, even though it is abundant in my home state of WA. It is a serious lobby, so I wish you well in stopping it.
     
  8. yg17 macrumors G5

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    Whats the big deal? If people want to spend their money on that, let them. Casinos provide a ton of jobs (have you ever been in a moderate sized casino? They probably require several hundred employees on the clock, so with 3 shifts, I'd say its a minimum of 1,000 jobs). They are good for the economy, plus, they have the hell taxed out of them too....
     
  9. MACDRIVE macrumors 68000

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    I can't give you a straight answer; I feel so emotional about these places, that I can't organise the words clear enough to make any sense. :eek:
     
  10. OnceUGoMac macrumors 6502a

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    Understood.
     
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    Off topic...

    The California Lottery is a form of gambling that had a direct effect on our neighborhood. That's because the Lottery, when it was first introduced, was touted as a way to raise extra money for public schools. What I predicted at the time came true: the powers that be cut other funds for schools because the Lottery money was available. But Lottery funds are an unstable source, varying up and down from year to year. And the original (stable and predictable) funds were never restored. So our schools now have less money than they did in the past, and the amount for a given year depends on the random ups and downs or the state Lottery. For example, the computer lab I maintain gets funds some years and not others, making maintenance a royal headache. All thanks to citizens choosing to gamble school support on gambling earnings.

    Thanks. I feel better now that I complained about it.
     
  12. furcalchick macrumors 68020

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    actually, one of the original intents of the lottery (which dates back to ancient times) was to fund projects for the state. so this isn't recent.

    in fact, here's the wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lottery

    but as mentioned, the state governments want to use the tax money from the lottery (and casinos) to fund projects. but i have no offense to casinos or gambling (i don't gamble though).
     
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    Yeah, it's not like that one was tough to see coming.
     
  14. imac/cheese macrumors 6502a

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    Patrolling the streets, building buildings, and wiring buildings are still jobs that are done by people in America. It is tough to outsource patrolling the streets (though with video technology it might not be that far away).

    Politicians have a great love affair with gambling. It provides the wonderful hidden tax that no one complains about except a few casio owners. Millions and millions of dollars come pouring into state governments without dipping into people's income on April 15th. This is why Nevada has such a good education system with no state income taxes.
     
  15. FrankBlack thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Yes indeed. But let me ask a question: In your geographic area, is any new housing stock being built for the working class, the people who wire up the buildings, handle the short-order cooking, and machine the parts? Here in Massachusetts, housing for the working class is all easily forty to fifty years old. The only housing stock being built is either luxury apartment / condo complexes, or "McMansions". Proof? just pick up the real estate section of the Sunday newpaper. Can't say that I fault builders for this though. Building luxury condo complexes is where the money is.

    This, along with replacing a manufacturing based economy with one that's apparently going to be based on casino gambling is just causing me to wonder what this country will look like in another 25 years. That's pretty much my "gripe."
     
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    Another negative: gamblng addicton.

    I've dealt with someone close to me having this addiction. It is not fun in the least. What's even worse, though, is online gambling. Kinda hard to help someone when the can log in from home and lose their life savings.
     
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    Nearly anything can be addicting; I think it's rediculous to even think about banning something because someone can get addicted
     
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    When did I say that it should be banned because of possible addiction? I just mentioned it because its an issue that casinos just agitate...whether you agree or not.

    You sound like you've no idea how damaging gambling addiction is... While nearly everything can be addicting, its a bit hard to get a crack-like high just by playing slots (yeah, I've asked several chronic gamblers and its nothing like the addiction you get by consuming some substance).

    You gonna support the legal sale of hard drugs too?

    No wonder Al Queda is all in our s**t...as a society, we've serious issues...
     
  19. yg17 macrumors G5

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    I thought you might've been implying it. my bad.

    I do believe my point still stands though....bars agitate alcoholism, convenience stores agitate nicotine addiction and so on. I'm just not sure why it's even an issue that needs to be brought up in this thread when you can get addicted to damn near anything these days.


    And in case anyone is going to try to argue in favor of banning casinos....as we learned from prohibition, the government trying to curb something that people enjoy doing that's been legal for years just doesn't work.
     
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    Back to the tax thing: The same civic leaders who tout lotteries and casinos would have a squalling hissy fit if you suggested legalizing playing poker at home, for real greenback dollars on the table.

    They can't tax those games...

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  21. Swarmlord macrumors 6502a

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    I support the right for anyone to waste their money in any way they see fit, but casinos would starve to death if they depended on people like me frequenting them.
     
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    Maybe it's because, as FrankBlack says, aside from the tax revenue they generate, they don't really do anything positive. Oh, they transfer even more money from the hands of the middle class and the poor to the wealthy (or in the case of Indian tribes, newly-wealthy). But they don't manufacture a durable good of any value. They do provide a service of sorts, if you consider the extreme likelihood of leaving without the money you came in with to be "entertainment".

    There is always the promise of jobs, as someone mentioned, but I remember reading somewhere (a book, so sorry, I can't link to it) that new casinos promise a lot more jobs than they actually deliver...pretty much like sports stadiums.

    I have to admit I went to a casino once, just to see what it was like. I played the slots and, after a handful of tries, won back slightly more money than I started with. Contrary to the conventional wisdom of what you're supposed to do next, I left with my extra three dollars. :D

    Edit: I just thought of one other reason I don't like casinos. Here in Ohio, we are hemorrhaging jobs. So what solutions does our red state legislature trot out? Oh, sometimes it's bio-tech or some other 21st century industry. But often as not, it's casino gambling -- as if that was something you can really hang your hat as the solution to our state's low wages, high unemployment, and manufacturing sector slump.
     
  23. Desertrat macrumors newbie

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    "So what solutions does our red state legislature trot out?"

    A solution which brings in tax money! Makes no difference, red state or blue state: The first priority of any legislature is to maintain or increase the income from taxes. (Well, first priority after getting re-elected.)

    In Vegas, a casino hotel creates 1.5 jobs per hotel room. I've no idea of the average wage for the lower echelon staff. I do know the jobs are in demand, so with tips they do better than minimum wage. FWIW.

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  24. FrankBlack thread starter macrumors 6502

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    An update,,,

    For those who have not heard, Governor Patrick will endorse casino gambling in Masssachusetts.

    What's left to be done: The legislature needs to come up with some kind of plan. Who gets gaming licenses, where will the casinos be located, etc. Normally, I would say that it's a long time away, but historically, when certain powers around here want something to get done quickly, it happens.

    Here is a websitewith some interesting information.
     

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