Castro Retires as President of Cuba

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  1. cycocelica macrumors 68000

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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7252109.stm

     
  2. arkitect macrumors 601

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    I wonder how long before the McDonalds Drive-Thru hits Havana?

    Pobre Cuba. Tan lejos de Dios y tan cerca de los Estados Unidos
     
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    End of an era.

    The first, and the last, communist president in the western hemisphere.

    My children will be saying 'daddy, what was it like to live when communism was still around?'
     
  4. pachyderm macrumors 601

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    amazing.

    what will the next government be? a puppet?

    can freedom be far behind?
     
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    Agree, will be interesting to see who comes after Bush.
     
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    LOL. Thanks for the laugh!!!
     
  7. Ugg macrumors 68000

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    Well, I seriously doubt there will be any Chavez-like histrionics. Raul has pretty firm control of the government and dissent is still not encouraged. It'll probably be a good five years before there's any substantial change.
     
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    Obviously Castro has been in failing health for some time, but still a hand nicely played by him: Most of U.S. succession intervention policy for Cuba has been predicated on his death, not turning power over to Raul while he was still alive. And of course, we've been saying for years, "the embargo will end when Castro is no longer president," and of course the first thing announced from the U.S. government was that the embargo is still standing. So, again we look like idiots on the international arena.
     
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    The carrot always works better than the stick!!!

    Okay, a little simplistic, but it really is time for a change in tactics.

    I really hope that the US reconciles with Cuba soon - and I have a good feeling that will happen with our next president, whether it's McCain, Obama or Clinton. The Cubans deserve better than what Castro and the US have given them these past few decades.

    And on a more personal level, I'd really love to scuba dive there in this life time ;)
     
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    lol...

    regime change in cuba?
     
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    Personally I hate the fact we are so friendly with allot of these communist countries. We have been giving China carrots for a long time now and its still a very unfree country and really in my opinion keeps the communists there in power. None of these countries we have been offering carrots to have freedom of speech, of the press or Religion. It doesn't seem to working all that well to me. Sure made a bunch of rich people here in the USA richer and middle class people jobless though.
     
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    To all the Americans: I've been there. Beautiful place. You should see it sometime. ;)
     
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    I take it if B. Obama were elected, he would normalize relations with Cuba?
     
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    Would you care to provide a source for your statement?
     
  15. stevegmu macrumors regular

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    Sounds like something President Bush would say, and take a lot of criticism for.

    http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/19/america/america.php
     
  16. Queso macrumors G4

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    Maybe he would. It's certainly about time don't you think? Or would that jeopardise the existence of the Camp Xray Watersports Centre?
     
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    I take it if J McCain were elected, the bombing of Cuba would commence immediately?
     
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    I would be down in Havana several times/year, were there no embargo, however, relations will not be normalized until Cuba is a democracy, since Cuban-Americans vote en-bloc.

    GTMO has been a US naval base since the late 1890's.
     
  19. Ugg macrumors 68000

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    What's your point here? Normalization of US/Cuban relations has been on the agenda for decades as long as certain prerequisites are met.

    Obama's statement is really pretty open ended and provides no definition of "meaningful democratic change" In other words, we'd need to hear a lot more before we could categorically say anything. Wouldn't you agree?
     
  20. Henri Gaudier macrumors 6502a

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    An absolute tragedy. I'm really upset. One of the few counter balances to Americas and it's puppy Europe's lies. Only Chavez left to rub The Combine up the wrong way. A sad day. Cuba has always brought to mind quiet dignity in the face of a giant retarded bully.
     
  21. Ugg macrumors 68000

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    You're extremely ill-informed. Cuban-Americans who were born in Cuba tend to vote in a bloc, those born in the US not at all.
     
  22. Queso macrumors G4

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    True, but let's face it, tactics like those currently employed there would not be tolerated at Okinawa or Guam would they? Do you think the current state of relations with Cuba makes Gitmo a better choice of site for torturing people?
     
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    I said Cuban Americans. I assumed everyone thought it would mean Cubans who fled, and who are now Americans, not native-born Americans who are descendants of Cubans.
     
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    When you hear the term "African-American" do you think of someone who was born in Africa and then came to America as opposed to a native-born American who is a descendant of an African?

    Just curious.
     
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    Yes. I go by the correct usage, not a PC construct.
     

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