Chalabi and Iran

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Sayhey, May 22, 2004.

  1. Sayhey macrumors 68000


    May 22, 2003
    San Francisco
    Here is a very interesting article in Newsday. I wonder what Richard Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith, and their fellow neocons are saying about their great friend now.

  2. Desertrat macrumors newbie

    Jul 4, 2003
    Terlingua, Texas
    Most likely, definitely stronger than, "Golly, gee whiz!"

    How about, "Holy defecated material!" followed by, "That (Bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeping) son of a (bleeping bleep)!"

    I imagine there's a lot of "But, but, how could he DARE to do that to ME?" "To ME!"

    Just because somebody has weaseled his way into some position of high power doesn't mean there's no sharper knife in the drawer.
  3. Neserk macrumors 6502a


    Jan 1, 2004
    I think it is refered to as the Peter Principle.
  4. skunk macrumors G4


    Jun 29, 2002
    Republic of Ukistan
    How true! :rolleyes:
  5. Desertrat macrumors newbie

    Jul 4, 2003
    Terlingua, Texas
    I can see why TPTB would want somebody like Chalabi, but this gets us back to the mission creep and nation-building stuff. I guess the question is how you vet somebody like that, to prevent the situation that's come to light about his Iranian connection.

    Funny. I've read multitudes of books of fiction wherein the capabilities for duplicitous behavior is seen as common to people in the middle east. This seems to be a case where truth isn't stranger than fiction; it supports the conclusion.

    Not everybody wanders through life truthfully saying, "What you see is what you're stuck with." Just because Chalabi wanted Saddam gone didn't mean that was his only interest...

    This deal does no good for any aspect of the U.S. cause, of course. That's more important than any embarrassment to Perle, et al.

  6. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

    IJ Reilly

    Jul 16, 2002
    For starters, it might help to not choose to trust a convicted embezzler. A lot of people deserve to be dope-slapped over the Chalabi business, and not just in the Bush administration. Apparently he's been a Pentagon favorite for quite a number of years.
  7. skunk macrumors G4


    Jun 29, 2002
    Republic of Ukistan
    "He may be a convicted embezzler, but he's OUR convicted embezzler". :D
  8. mactastic macrumors 68040


    Apr 24, 2003
    How about being highly suspiscious of someone who has been convicted in absentia of embezzelment? Just for starters maybe?
  9. numediaman macrumors 6502a

    Jan 5, 2004
    Chicago (by way of SF)
    From Kevin Drum:

    AHMED CHALABI TIMELINE....Why exactly is Ahmed Chalabi hated by so many people? And exactly who is he hated by? Here's an Ahmed Chalabi timeline to help sort it out for you:

    1969: Chalabi earns a PhD in mathematics from the University of Chicago. While there, he hits it off with Albert Wohlstetter, a military theorist who was one of the founders of the neocon movement.

    1985: Wohlstetter introduces Chalabi to über-neocon Richard Perle. He later hooks up with Paul Wolfowitz and other neocon leading lights.

    1989: Petra Bank of Jordan, run by Chalabi, collapses under mysterious circumstances. Chalabi flees the country and is tried and convicted in absentia on 31 charges of embezzlement, theft, misuse of depositor funds and currency speculation, and sentenced by a Jordanian court to 22 years in jail.

    As with all things related to Chalabi, his supporters and detractors have diametrically opposite stories about what happened. He and his supporters say the Jordanian government (backed by Saddam Hussein) executed a politically motivated coup against him. The Jordanians — backed up by an Arthur Andersen audit — scoff at this. Chalabi, they say, was a common swindler who fraudulently funneled money to his own accounts and left the bank with over $200 million in debts, which the Jordanian government eventually paid off.

    Whichever side you believe, the end result is that the Jordanians and their friends became mortal enemies of Chalabi.

    1992: Chalabi makes his first contact with the CIA and forms the Iraqi National Congress, an umbrella group of Iraqi exiles opposed to Saddam Hussein.

    1995: Chalabi convinces the CIA that Saddam's hold on power is tenuous and that a rebellion led by the Kurds and the INC could topple him. The American NSC discovers at the last minute that Saddam has penetrated part of the plan and withdraws its support. Chalabi and the Kurds go ahead anyway and the plot fails miserably. It is referred to by the CIA as the "Bay of Goats."

    Result: the CIA decides Chalabi is a blowhard with little actual support or knowledge of what's happening in Iraq.

    1996: More prime grade murkiness, this time about a CIA coup attempt against Saddam. The fact that the coup actually was attempted is about the only thing everyone agrees about.

    Chalabi side of the story (sort of): The CIA cooked up one of its "fatuous little coup plots," and when Chalabi found out about it he informed them that Saddam had already infiltrated their plot. The CIA stupidly ignored him, and in June, after stringing them along for a few months, Saddam arrested hundreds of conspirators and completely demolished the coup attempt.

    CIA side of the story (maybe): It was Chalabi himself who compromised the plan. He was angry because the CIA was working with the INA, a different group of Iraqi exiles, and Chalabi was not involved.

    Result: now the CIA really hates Chalabi's guts.

    1998: With Chalabi's help, Congress passes the Iraq Liberation Act and the INC subsequently starts getting large sums of money from the United States government — amounting to tens of millions of dollars over the years from various government sources. Much of this money has never been accounted for, and the State Department eventually concludes that Chalabi has been raking off a percentage.

    Result: the State Department, which had never been too enamored of Chalabi anyway, decides that Chalabi is a fraud and a con man who can't be trusted.

    April 2003: Against the wishes of virtually everyone except his friends in the Pentagon, Chalabi and 700 of his troops are airlifted into northern Iraq. He will later be installed as one of the 25 members of Iraq's Interim Governing Council.

    2003-2004: The **** hits the fan. It turns out that Chalabi actually has very little support within Iraq. Paul Bremer grows increasingly disgusted with Chalabi as Chalabi's public statements become more stridently anti-American. UN envoy Lakhdar Brahimi comes in for abuse from Chalabi and turns against him. The White House is annoyed that Chalabi refuses to hand over documents related to the UN's oil-for-food scandal. The CIA learns that Chalabi was responsible for providing phony WMD intelligence before the war. In April the NSC decides to cut its losses and severs its ties with Chalabi. And finally, the Defense Intelligence Agency has apparently also turned against Chalabi based on evidence that he has been passing ultrasensitive intelligence information to Iran.

    Result: Bremer hates Chalabi, Brahimi hates Chalabi, the UN hates Chalabi, a large swathe of Iraqis hate Chalabi, and the NSC and DIA hate Chalabi.​

  10. benguru macrumors newbie

    Jul 20, 2002
    What do they say?

    I think I know what they say now, the CIA is bad.
    They figured it out using an ouija board, what could be more reliable? ;)

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