China exceeds expectations in standardized testing

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    Sputnik? Would the GOP of today oppose NASA and the US Space program or will they stand arm in arm with the Democrats as we overhaul our education system? Are the Democrats willing to make some tough choices?
     
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    Shanghai is much wealthier than most of China.
     
  3. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Oh, but we shouldn't fund education or anything. It should all be privatized. :rolleyes:

    Honestly, what country doesn't beat us in education?
     
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    Only thirteen it would seem when it comes to Reading.
     
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    That's thirteen too many. The so-called "best country in the world" should be doing better than 14th place. And the math number was simply pathetic.

    Even Kommunist Kanada beats us in every category.
     
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    But the cause isn't black and white. It may not necessarily be funding or even how the government handles education as much as family units and culture.
     
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    Or illegal immigrants.
     
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    Of course there is more than one cause. But the solution is not privatizing all education. That should be obvious.
     
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    Are you implying the American family and culture is a failure? If you are, I'll admit I agree with you to a certain extent.

    Two earner households, isolating suburbs, a "keeping up with the Jones" at any cost mentality. I could go on and on but the American family is going bankrupt due to rampant consumerism, social isolation and a corporate mentality that puts work first and family last.
     
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    That could not be more true. It's not just true for families, but friendships as well.
     
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    The Chinese also clearly value education.

    There's probably a fair number of private schools in Shanghai.
     
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    Like all big cities it has some very wealthy people,it also has a huge number of poor people even by Chinese standards.
     
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    Problem with education and politics is the people want results quickly so in politics they try to force anything quickly but that is worthless.
    Any changes in education it will take us 10-15 years before we will really see the true results of it because it takes that long to filter all the way threw the system. Remember kids start learning at age 5 in school so it is going to take a while changes to kick in. Particlurely on foundation in Math,Reading and Science.

    For example when most if no all us went threw k-6 we were taught under an older method that is mostly memorization. Now they are using what is cause best practice which does not us memorization and instead teaches methods and it is found to have much better long term results. In math for example under old meathod people memorized the basic but many never move on to the point of doing basic manipulation to make the math easier. Now they teach the breaking up of numbers and moving them around to make things easier to do. (for example 16+27) Most people will do 6+7=13 so carry the one then add the next to get 43. Best practice would be either change the 27 to 30 or 16 to 20 stealing the once from the other number. The Zero make things REALLY easy to mess with.

    Now something I learned in HS when they were looking at the scores on these test and comparing the US teaching system to some of the leaders in the world they found that US had a much more broad approach teaching a much wider range of topics on a subject but never going in as deep. Higher scoring when deeper but not as broad. It was found that we forget a lot of broad range of stuff and the stuff that other countries went deeper on they found they remember them and could use them better so change the system to go a bit narrow and deeper on the core subjects. They remember them and could use the tools better if they want to broader.
     
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    In absolute terms, sure, its their largest city. As a percentage of the population? It seems doubtful.
     
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    I agree. No matter the source of funding or employment I believe it is the student himself/herself that the problem lies within. Not necessarily at the fault of their own but nevertheless the student needs to be motivated to learn as well as have the ability to do so (whether it be a family unit that supports them, friends to turn to, an environment that allows one to study etc..).
     
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    Numbers are hard to come by obviously and the Chinese government has made huge efforts to kick the poor out,sharing a flat for instance is technically illegal although it happens on a huge scale.If you venture away from the tourist and business areas of Shanghai you'll see huge numbers of very poor people.
    Much like London in fact.
     

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