China & Russia listening in on Trump’s personal cell phone conversations

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Rogifan, Oct 24, 2018.

  1. Rogifan macrumors Core

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    I am amazed this hasn’t received more attention. It’s outrageous and dangerous. And the Secret Service can’t mandate what phone the president uses? How absurd.


    When Trump Phones Friends, the Chinese Listen and Learn


    WASHINGTON — When President Trump calls old friends on one of his iPhones to gossip, gripe or solicit their latest take on how he is doing, American intelligence reports indicate that Chinese spies are often listening — and putting to use invaluable insights into how to best work the president and affect administration policy, current and former American officials said.

    Mr. Trump’s aides have repeatedly warned him that his cellphone calls are not secure, and they have told him that Russian spies are routinely eavesdropping on the calls, as well. But aides say the voluble president, who has been pressured into using his secure White House landline more often these days, has still refused to give up his iPhones. White House officials say they can only hope he refrains from discussing classified information when he is on them.

    Mr. Trump’s use of his iPhones was detailed by several current and former officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity so they could discuss classified intelligence and sensitive security arrangements. The officials said they were doing so not to undermine Mr. Trump, but out of frustration with what they considered the president’s casual approach to electronic security.

    American spy agencies, the officials said, had learned that China and Russia were eavesdropping on the president’s cellphone calls from human sources inside foreign governments and intercepting communications between foreign officials.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/...e-security.html#click=https://t.co/E9qm5VbVXa
     
  2. niji Contributor

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    he is a traitorous idiot.

    re-take the House in 2018.

    re-take Presidency in 2020.

    remove every Co-Conspirator political appointee who was put in power during the idiot's tenure. purge them all.
    restore as many Treaties as we can. Environmental. Trade.

    re-take Senate 2022.

    RBG can then retire. not until then, pls, RGB, OK?
     
  3. mac_in_tosh macrumors 6502

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    So he can harp endlessly about Hillary's email server but it's okay for him, as POTUS, to use an unsecured phone.
     
  4. RootBeerMan macrumors 65816

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    He was told when he ascended to the office that his phones were a security risk and he chose to ignore the advice of his betters. It's all on him and it lends further credence to him being a clear and present danger to the Republic.
     
  5. Solomani macrumors 68040

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    Maybe he's The Mongolian Candidate?
     
  6. NT1440 macrumors G5

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    And the narrative for our upcoming wars continues....

    So will it be President Biden who starts the wars with Russia and China? What say ye PRSI?

    Are we supposed to be shocked and appalled? Our own agencies were caught numerous times listening in to Merkel and other world leaders. Not to mention them spying on their supposed "oversight" at the Intelligence Committee when we were investigating our own torture programs?
     
  7. Solomani macrumors 68040

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    I say it's President Beto O'Rourke that starts war with the Klingons.
     
  8. NT1440 macrumors G5

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    Good lord. If that guy becomes president we should just collectively give up as a nation. Clearly nothing matters at that point.
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    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/24/nsa-surveillance-world-leaders-calls

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    The National Security Agency monitored the phone conversations of 35 world leaders after being given the numbers by an official in another US government department, according to a classified document provided by whistleblower Edward Snowden.

    The confidential memo reveals that the NSA encourages senior officials in its "customer" departments, such as the White House, State and the Pentagon, to share their "Rolodexes" so the agency can add the phone numbers of leading foreign politicians to their surveillance systems.

    The document notes that one unnamed US official handed over 200 numbers, including those of the 35 world leaders, none of whom is named. These were immediately "tasked" for monitoring by the NSA.

    The revelation is set to add to mounting diplomatic tensions between the US and its allies, after the German chancellor Angela Merkel on Wednesday accused the US of tapping her mobile phone."

    Let's just be shocked and appalled by a practice we're doing on our own allies shall we?
     
  9. Sydde macrumors 68020

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    But, you failed to quote the most important paragraph in the story,

    Administration officials said Mr. Trump’s longtime paranoia about surveillance — well before coming to the White House he believed that his phone conversations were often being recorded — gave them some comfort that he was not disclosing classified information on the calls. They said they had further confidence he was not spilling secrets because he rarely digs into the details of the intelligence he is shown and is not well versed in the operational specifics of military or covert activities.

    Which is to say, the President is just too stupid and willfully ignorant to be a security risk. That seems like, at once, both a pleasing and disturbing thing
     
  10. NT1440 macrumors G5

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    If he were to spill anything, it would be during that mindless free-association talking mode he goes in from time to time. We've all seen it, where he struggles to find the connective tissue between thoughts and clearly just starts spitting out snippets he's picked up in the rare moments he chooses to pay attention to something.
     
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  12. NT1440 macrumors G5

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    ....I understand that. It's a clear example of the kind of worldwide surveillance that we conduct, including leaders. Something which today, we are supposed to find appalling when we get listened to. I'm trying to point out something larger than the news snippet of today, or that some horrors in the world only don't merely occur under such a lousy president of today. Even under the much loved Obama administration we the USA were spying on everyone. This is merely a fact of life of the nation-state paradigm we live under in this part of human history.

    I can't feign outrage over this story (Trump being spied on). It's amazing to me to watch my fellow citizens get riled up over the idea of spycraft having the gall to be pulled on us this time. This is just what literally every intelligence agency worth it's paycheck does. Every day. Foes and Allies alike. Maybe it's about time we collectively across societies really take a hard look at the fact that we've allowed our governments around the world to build an international total surveillance system. People know of the Snowden disclosures, but they don't really understand just how massive this thing really is and the dangers it holds for the idea of democracy itself.
     
  13. samcraig macrumors P6

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    Yes. Because we already know it's all projection. Anything he says or complains about re: other people is simply because he is doing it himself.
     
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    I truly don’t believe he has the mental abilities to do that. He’s constantly snapping in and out of senility. He’s the worst kind of political puppet, an out an out ******* when he’s able to maintain a bit of clarity, and a useful idiot to the interests he’s allowed to be installed around himself.

    Watch out for those who surround him, especially Bolton.
     
  15. samcraig macrumors P6

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    I posted about this before. "known issue" for months - well over a year, in fact...
     
  16. ActionableMango macrumors G3

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    I feel bad for the Chinese and Russians that have to listen to him.
     
  17. stylinexpat macrumors 65816

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    Two ways of looking at this.

    The fact that he uses his own line also means he does not trust the government lol..

    This basically means that as much as he does not trust others he does not trust his own government.
     
  18. duffman9000 macrumors 68000

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    A war with Iran is more likely. But the neo-cons have tried their best to make it happen and it still hasn’t happened.

    Russia has nukes and China manufacturers our iPhones. Doubt an actual war will happen.
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    For real pain try reading the transcripts. I imagine they sit in a room and laugh for hours.
     
  19. Solomani macrumors 68040

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    A Regime-Changist Warhawk who serves as a senior advisor to a gullible President? That could never happen!
     
  20. RootBeerMan macrumors 65816

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    The headline says it all. Maybe this one should go in the "He Can't Stop Lying Thread".

    Trump denounces report that he uses iPhones by tweeting from his iPhone


    https://news.vice.com/en_us/article...t-he-uses-iphones-by-tweeting-from-his-iphone

     
  21. Solomani macrumors 68040

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    Whatever happened to the White House's Chief Babysitter? I think his name was Gen John Kelly. He has not been heard of for weeks. Is he still alive? Did he find a good closet to hide in? He sure ain't doing a very good job!
     
  22. NT1440 macrumors G5

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    We’re living in Dr. Strangelove times. Hopefully we’ll avoid the ending...
     
  23. decafjava macrumors 68030

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    Well, this is more bad publicity for Apple...:rolleyes:
     
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