China Threatens Nuclear weapon Use


Xtremehkr

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It's hard to keep track of what all of our enemies are doing these days. It's much easier to track what our ally is doing, and even then, I wonder how much longer they will tolerate us.

It seems enemies of the nation are multiplying exponentially despite all of the freedom and democracy we are spreading, how can this be!?
 

~loserman~

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Xtremehkr said:
It's hard to keep track of what all of our enemies are doing these days. It's much easier to track what our ally is doing, and even then, I wonder how much longer they will tolerate us.

It seems enemies of the nation are multiplying exponentially despite all of the freedom and democracy we are spreading, how can this be!?

Hmmmm

And I thought China was our friend. Are they not receiving "Most Favored Nation Status"? (Which I have always thought a mistake)
 

Xtremehkr

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~loserman~ said:
Hmmmm

And I thought China was our friend. Are they not receiving "Most Favored Nation Status"? (Which I have always thought a mistake)
Well, Pakistan is our friend in the WOT, and yet we are now relaxing rules for Indian nukes....

This Administration does not play well with others. And when they do play with others, they don't seem to mind trying to play both sides... is that being a good friend?
 

zimv20

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from the article:
Zhu, who also heads the National Defense University's College of Defense Studies, stressed that he was not speaking for the government—an assertion echoed the next day by Assistant Foreign Minister Shen Guofang, who said Zhu was merely expressing his personal views.
it's a bit of a leap to declare this official Chinese policy.
 

Xtremehkr

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zimv20 said:
from the article:
it's a bit of a leap to declare this official Chinese policy.
There is that caveat, but China has much more control over what information is released, and allowed this to be released. I just don't get the feeling that they feel warm and fuzzy about the US as a whole.

Which is good, the more fights we pick the better off we will be, right?
 

~loserman~

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Xtremehkr said:
Well, Pakistan is our friend in the WOT, and yet we are now relaxing rules for Indian nukes....

This Administration does not play well with others. And when they do play with others, they don't seem to mind trying to play both sides... is that being a good friend?
Name me one Administration that has played well with others.( And hasn't played both sides)
 

Xtremehkr

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your parameters are subjective, but: Clinton's.
I agree. Blair had done the same up until the WOT. Blair and Clinton had a lot in common, still do in some ways. Both are early pioneers of the 3rd way.
 

~loserman~

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idea_hamster said:
We can only hope that they push the wrong button, though neither prospect is particularly appealing...

Hmmmm... Very funny link.

I guess a Communist nation is highly concerned with the reproduction of "PIGS"

:D

Edit: Seriously though IMO I think China's Space Program is more concerned with ICBM's than Manned Space Flight or pig sperm
 

Ugg

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zimv20 said:
from the article:
it's a bit of a leap to declare this official Chinese policy.
It wouldn't be the first time that official policy was leaked unofficially. Personally, I don't see why Taiwan is such a big deal but... I also don't feel that it is about Taiwan, rather global politics and a growing sense of nationalism in China and probably more likely, oil. The Unocal takeover attempt is but the first shot across the bows that China needs oil just as desperately as the US. Who's going to flinch first?
 

Xtremehkr

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Ugg said:
It wouldn't be the first time that official policy was leaked unofficially. Personally, I don't see why Taiwan is such a big deal but... I also don't feel that it is about Taiwan, rather global politics and a growing sense of nationalism in China and probably more likely, oil. The Unocal takeover attempt is but the first shot across the bows that China needs oil just as desperately as the US. Who's going to flinch first?
Areas of socio-politcal influence have always mattered. For economic reasons mainly. The Marshall plan was a good example of that. You tend to get preferential treatment from those who you hold sway over. And that helps influence others.
 

~loserman~

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Ugg said:
It wouldn't be the first time that official policy was leaked unofficially. Personally, I don't see why Taiwan is such a big deal but... I also don't feel that it is about Taiwan, rather global politics and a growing sense of nationalism in China and probably more likely, oil. The Unocal takeover attempt is but the first shot across the bows that China needs oil just as desperately as the US. Who's going to flinch first?
Thoughtful response.

I disagree about Taiwan's importance though.


Something else to think about...
IF a U.S. General mouthed off like that he would be relieved Immediately.
 

zimv20

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one reason taiwan is a big deal is because they've got a crapload of chinese historical art. tucked away in a vault in a mountain in taipei, i've heard. with china's growing nationalism and their ever-present pride in chinese history... they're gonna want it back.
 

zimv20

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~loserman~ said:
IF a U.S. General mouthed off like that he would be relieved Immediately.
i think it depends on what "like that" is. if he says more troops are needed in iraq, sure. if he makes anti-muslim remarks and says the WOT is really a battle between christianity and islam and he answers only to god, nope.
 

~loserman~

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zimv20 said:
one reason taiwan is a big deal is because they've got a crapload of chinese historical art. tucked away in a vault in a mountain in taipei, i've heard. with china's growing nationalism and their ever-present pride in chinese history... they're gonna want it back.
Was this serious?

The reason Taiwan is such a big deal is because they have a GDP of $500 Billion

Thats $22000 per person

whereas China has a GDP of 7.2 Trillion

thats $5300 per person.

It's all money... Not some art that may or may not exist in some secret mountain vault.
 

tristan

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I think China's strategy is to exploit weaknesses in our capitalist and deomcratic system by turning "engagement" back on us. Their idea of engagement is Western banks loaning them capital and Western companies selling them technology and weapons and access to resources and giving them hard currency in exchange for their cheap products. Then if China can hit $12k GDP per capita, their ecnomy will exceed ours, and they'll be able to bury us economically, the way we did the Soviet Union. It's a damn smart strategy.
 

Roger1

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tristan said:
I think China's strategy is to exploit weaknesses in our capitalist and deomcratic system by turning "engagement" back on us. Their idea of engagement is Western banks loaning them capital and Western companies selling them technology and weapons and access to resources and giving them hard currency in exchange for their cheap products. Then if China can hit $12k GDP per capita, their ecnomy will exceed ours, and they'll be able to bury us economically, the way we did the Soviet Union. It's a damn smart strategy.
So, you're saying that:
Sending them our manufacturing/technology
Selling them our oil companies
Letting them fund our deficit through buying bonds (or whatever they're called)
is a bad thing??
 

stubeeef

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If an American General had said such, it would be "the bush administration letting their wild and rabid dogs loose."

The real issue may seem to be Taiwan, but better watch the Spratly Islands

Conventional theory (pardon the pun) has been the first use of Nukes would be at sea, there you can test resolve without as much co-lateral damage. That of course was the thought for decades. The Spratly Islands are and have been hotly contested for their potential oil reserves. We have been monitoring that hotbed for nearly 20 years. China has made some big moves there over the years, building fortified facilities on atolls that they claim, while the other 6 or so countries fuss and fret. That is were conflict is most likely to come to fact.
 

srobert

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tristan said:
Well, letting them fund our deficit is a good thing. :)
Yup! There's no way they're gonna nuke a country that owes them much money ^_^

Currently, Asian central banks hold about $2 trillion worth of U.S. debt, with Japan and China leading the pack. OPEC nations in the Middle East hold about $44 billion of our debt.
 

zimv20

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~loserman~ said:
Was this serious?
yes. you're right about the economic importance of taiwan to china, i was simply providing a little known reason. and the mountain vault isn't secret.