Christopher Columbus XX: Hey America, my ancestor didn't cause your failings

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    And give outrage culture one less thing to be faux-angry about? Not a chance.
     
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    Columbus didn't discover America :) All lies.
     
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    Good discoverers copy, great discoverers steal! :)
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    Well - then I propose to change it to “Che Guevara’s execution day”
     
  7. bradl, Oct 9, 2017
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    Can you do me a favour? Can you list a time when your ancestors were raped or killed by someone of a different skin colour or nationality than yours?

    No..? Didn't think so.

    Additionally, if he indeed is the descendant of Columbus, he may want to spend more time working on the remaining legacy of his ancestor than dig into the quagmire of politics here. Columbus isn't even recognized for a damned thing in his home country of Italy, and Spain has nothing to do with him. Columbus returned a broken down, penniless shell of a man, who was arrested and thrown in jail along with his brothers. And instead of dying a rich old man, actually died of STDs, which none of those came from anyone in the Americas.

    So the question again is being asked: Why are we celebrating a man who did nothing but rape, plunder, and torture people of the new world here, as well as brought them famine and disease, which ran rampant throughout two different continents?

    Oh wait, that's right.. we got the answer from someone previously here:

    :rolleyes:
     
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    Not for nothing, but Columbus didn't even land on the North American continent.

    Amerigo Vespucci was the first guy (in historical memory, at least) to designate the Americas as completely separate from Eurasia and Africa. Funny how we named two continents and a country after the guy and yet we celebrate the date Columbus discovered the Bahamas.
     
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    Do we forget that Columbus was a horrible navigator and through he was at India.
     
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    On the positive side of things, more and more cities have dropped Columbus day for Indigenous People's day. I saw this shirt worn by different people yesterday:

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    Faux outrage, indeed.

    BL.
     
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    To be fair, the Bahamas are pretty nice. ;)
     
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    I can, what's your point?
     
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    Too much focus is given to this crap, none of which is going to improve anybody’s present or future unless somebody thinks guilt is the new bitcoin.
     
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    I’m not sure if Columbus should even get credit, http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15040888.

    But I also think the move is not so much to call Columbus evil, but to stop celebrating the invasion of North America by Europeans which although created a “great” country, also signaled a calamity and wholesale death and murder for Native American culture and populations.
     
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    My point: we natives were here first, and those whose ancestors came over from Europe want to celebrate a man who made it here by mistake (he knowingly admitted he was lost), brought famine and disease, raped and slaughtered people here (that is from firsthand accounts from his own people), and a person here wants to claim that this is "faux outrage". Columbus was a disgrace to not only his own people in Italy, but Spain as well. Neither of them recognize the man.

    But I'll put it this way. If Trump supporters want America for Americans, why are we dedicating a day to a European?

    BL.
     
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    Can we rename Christmas and do away with Santa Claus too? When I was 8, he didn't give the bike I asked for.
     
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    I got your bike. Santa told me you were goofing off way too much that year.
     
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    Yeah, great. Except....thats now how it went. If the indigenous poeple still ran the the place we'd be eating mushrooms dancing around fires all day. Instead, we have like technology, an economy, nice houses, cars, ya know..... desireable stuff?

    Sorry. We saw, we conquered, we made out great. It is what it is.
     
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    Well tbh, “we” didn’t do anything. The world was quite a different place back then. Even the natives were killing each other and taking each other’s Land.
     
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    I support abolishing Columbus Day for no other reason than to stop it from interfering with my garbage pick up schedule. :mad:
     
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    My ancestors were native you're not telling me anything I don't know.
     
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    Italians are not happy about this outrage, they want to keep Columbus as a figure of an explorer who dared when everyone was against him.
    Just one point, although it’s true that he somewhat got lost, the feat was not simply that he landed in the new continent of which he was unaware of (he thought he was in the Indies... not India). The feat that he was able to land, go back to Europe, and come back again, and again. Horrible governor, and yes, a sadistic one (not that other governors back then were saints), but nothing can be said of his adventure spirit.
    You also have to realize that Spain did not want to find a new continent. Spain was interested in commerce with the established states and territories in the indies. A new territory to settle was totally useless to them, that’s why Columbus forced the hand by saying that it was full of gold; he wanted to prove that the new territory was a good investment (which it wasn’t). This also explains why later on all the various conquistadores, from Coronado to Cabeza de Vaca were so relentless in their search.
     
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    In the words of hillary clinton "what difference at this point does it make?"
     
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    Nevermind Santa, the Easter Bunny has to go. That fool brings eggs as gifts. What the hell am I supposed to do with a basket full of eggs?
     

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