Church Cancels Memorial For Gay Navy Vet

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  1. yg17 macrumors G5

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    I love how they call themselves a "nondenominational" church :rolleyes:

    http://www.ksdk.com/news/world/us_world_article.aspx?storyid=126652

     
  2. adrianblaine macrumors 65816

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    I'm not quite sure what you mean by this or what it has to do with their decision.

    It's got to be tough on his family and friends for loosing him at 46 due to an accidental infection, then the church refusing to hold his funeral is just plain awful.
     
  3. yg17 thread starter macrumors G5

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    Calling themselves nondenominational makes them look better than other churches, because lets face it, most churches don't think highly of people from other religions. But in reality, they aren't better than the rest. So they're nondenominational, big deal. They're still the same homophobic bigots like almost every other church
     
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    I don't take offense to a lot of things said by anyone because I believe in everyone's right to their own opinion, but your comment does irk me. I think you'd be (pleasantly) surprised at how many people (especially those 30 and younger) don't hold hateful views of people that don't believe the same thing as them.

    And how does throwing insults back at a church make someone any different?
     
  5. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus

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    Nondenominational means something fairly specific in the Protestant world. It just means that they're not affiliated with a larger denominational body that has a specified creed or policies. Non-denominational churches span the gamut from very conservative/fundamentalist to very liberal, and generally people who have had contact with Protestantism don't particularly associate the term "non-denominational" with any particular set of views or attitudes. I think this is relatively well known.

    The rest of the story is rather unfortunate, though. Poor family. And meh for politicization of funerals. :(
     
  6. yg17 thread starter macrumors G5

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    Ah, OK. I had always thought nondenominational meant any religion (like a nondenominal church might hold a memorial service for a Jewish or Muslim person, vice versa with a synagoge or mosque). Regardless of the semantics, what they did is still 100% wrong
     
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    Boy, they'd have a serious problem anywhere is South or Central America, Europe or Asia, and didn't Judas kiss Jesus on the cheek? "Engaging in clear affection" is a great circumlocution, isn't it? :D
     
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    I guess this really steamed their beans then, eh?
    [​IMG]
     
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    Awww! :p
     
  10. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus

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    Ahhh, I gotcha, like interfaith or universalist. :)

    P.S. Awww, that picture of President Bush and (?) Prince Bandar is cute. :)
     
  11. ham_man macrumors 68020

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    Since you obviously know nothing about Christianity, what leads you to say that all Christians are homophobic bigots?
     
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    The evangelists, most likely, since they're the face of Christianity to many people. They don't teach love and acceptance. They teach hate and bigotry. Christ would knock over a few of their tables, to be sure.

    There are Christians who actually care about everyone but it's tough to find them. I don't think there are any living in Floriduh but at least, they hate all groups equally. :D
     
  13. Queso macrumors G4

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    Yes. The Principle of Hatred and Discrimination :rolleyes:
     
  14. ghall macrumors 68040

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    It's things like this that make me detest religion. People have always told me that to truly understand the world I should practice a religion. Well, if it means being an insensitive @$$hole, then I think I'll pass. I rather like to define my own beliefs, not have them dictated by some guy who talks to God, and preaches "kindness" and other stuff. Bunch of hypocrites if you ask me.
     
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    Most of the Christians I have met are the most kind and caring people you could ever hope to imagine. I'm afraid that many opinions of Christians by non-Christians are being shaped by the evangelists, like you said, who are more intent upon forcing their views, political and otherwise, upon others than letting the love and message of Jesus Christ do it for them.
     
  16. bousozoku Moderator emeritus

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    I wish I could say the same.

    I was one of the Christians who cared about everyone until I was told that it was wrong and that only Christians deserved kindness.

    The more, different Christians I met, the worse I felt about the religion. I'm a member of the Presbyterian church and I've spent considerable time with the Baptists, Methodists, and Catholics and attended single services in other churches. The level of bigotry and hate drove me away.

    Jesus Christ was apparently a very nice man, Messiah or not, who doesn't deserve the fanatics who use his name to support their cause.
     
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    im not a christian. im not religious. i view religion about the same as casinos/gambling, and Windows : it's mostly a combination of lies and smoke 'n' mirrors; it will cost you a lot of money; and it involves a lot of praying (also called talking to yourself)

    most religious people seem to be fairly nice, until its about something that their invisible friend in the sky APPARENTLY doesn't like.

    one of my friends' father is very religious. he doesn't hate gays. he truly believes it's a DISEASE or a DISORDER.
     
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    Lest we forget, that years ago, before it was PC, the Episcopal church was the first large church (Anglican) or organization, to openly support gays and lesbians as members of their congregation and later as ministers. Food for thought. Evangelicals get the attention, the good Christians don't yell, they do, by helping in any way they can, quietly.
    At least the ones I have met.
     
  19. ham_man macrumors 68020

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    You seem to have alot of hate for people who have alot of hate. It's cyclical isn't it?
     
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    hate? no i dont hate religious people. hate would mean that i think about them enough to care. and i dont hate my friends dad. i
     
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    Not all of them are bad, and I wish people would stop saying this. It's makes us look as bad as those who say all Muslims are terrorists. It's the just the very vocal minority, and what seems like a majority from those that follow them.

    That being said, knowing some of the more intense believers as I have, I understand why you feel that way.

    Gandhi once said "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians".

    Some, yes. Many, probably. But there's a lot of hatred out there that causes people to feel the way the above posters do. It also depends on your meaning of the terms kind and caring. I've known some otherwise great people who support very awful things, like the above.

    And they certainly don't help their cause when the larger churches do this type of thing and their members not only are ok with it, but they fully support it.

    There's a difference between the rational and the irrational. He dislikes them for a reason. Why do they dislike homosexuals? Even if they hate the sin, there is no excuse to hate the sinner as many very vocally do. Going out of their ways to deny them rights or even respect, and extending that to their families. See above.
     
  22. ham_man macrumors 68020

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    "Love the sinner, hate the sin."

    Wait...are we in...*gasp*...agreement?! :eek: :p
     
  23. bousozoku Moderator emeritus

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    Religion itself isn't bad but it's the expression of religion that usually causes the problem. All the same, it seems that those religions based on the god of Abraham (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam) seem to be more about hate and intolerance than any others, with the exception of Satanism perhaps.

    You're right, but allowing wrong by being quiet is nearly as good as standing with the people doing the wrong.
     
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    None of those religions are "about" hate and intolerance. Not even Satanism.
    Only twisted and extreme versions of those religions deal out hate, and they are a pretty small percentage.

    This thread is pretty interesting. It seems those who only have a superficial understanding of religion are vehemently against it.
     
  25. grafikat macrumors 6502a

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    Do you think Christ would have stopped the service if this revelation had been made? If the idea is to become Christ-like, then these people have really missed the message.

    I believe in faith. I do not believe in Religion. I keep thinking of the words to "Cathedral" by CSNY
    Open up the gates of the church and let me out of here
    Too many people have lied in the name of Christ
    For anyone to heed the call.
    So many people have died in the name of Christ
    That I can't believe it all.
     

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