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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by citizenzen, Dec 9, 2016.
Might as well get this one started. We might be discussing this for a while ...
Now why would Putin want to help Trump?
Connection ... ?
Honestly, I don't know. It's way too soon to say.
But it sounds like we're living in interesting times.
Serious question, how do we know this is not a fake new story?
Because it comes from real news sources.
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Is starting to look that way isn't it.
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Time will tell.
Because despite when the voices in Trump's head tell him, the media is not just out to get him.
FWIW It comes from the Washington Post which is already under fire and multiple lawsuits about its incredibly sloppy reporting on their related "fake news" story.
So multiple sources claiming the CIA said Russia was behind it is wrong now? Or are you in denial that Trump is in cahoots with Putin?
Like I said a month back, Trump has changed everything in US politics, and many have no idea.
Not just in how he elected, but the dynamics of global politics. The call to Taiwan president is perfect example.
Russia benefits from a weak US.
The astroturfing in favor of Trump (even from extreme leftists!) emanating from Russian media and alt-media has been astouding.
Not one name in that entire article. Except the nay-sayers -- they're named.
When have you ever seen a source named in any article? There is a reason they are unnamed sources.
Who cares. Or, put more precisely, 60 million Americans don't care.
Those hacked emails showed the DNC conspiring with the Clinton campaign against Bernie, Donna Brazile sharing debate questions ahead of time, and other shady behavior.
Whoever was really responsible for exposing that, and we haven't seen any actual proof it was boogeyman-of-the-day Russia, did a good deed.
Except that the result was to get an even more corrupt person into the office.
I wonder how many sharing this actually read the Washington Post piece in full. Summation: Weak propaganda. Nameless “conduits,” and this choice quote: “intelligence agencies do not have specific intelligence showing officials in the Kremlin “directing” the identified individuals to pass the Democratic emails to WikiLeaks, a second senior U.S. official said. Those actors, according to the official, were “one step” removed from the Russian government, rather than government employees.” Read the full piece, it’s laughable. This qualifies as quote unquote “fake news.”
The blame for Hillary's loss rests squarely on her own shoulders. Biden, or really any reasonable Democrat, would've had no problem defeating Trump. It was Hillary's own track record, campaign strategy, and positions that weren't good enough, and that can't be blamed on Russia.
Hillary should be fed to the metaphorical woodchipper, there's no doubt about that, but I'll hold off my celebrations until and unless the Gilded Buffoon is booted out of office.
WASHINGTON — American intelligence agencies have concluded with “high confidence” that Russia acted covertly in the latter stages of the presidential campaign to harm Hillary Clinton’s chances and promote Donald J. Trump, according to senior administration officials.
They based that conclusion, in part, on another finding — which they say was also reached with high confidence — that the Russians hacked the Republican National Committee’s computer systems in addition to their attacks on Democratic organizations, but did not release whatever information they gleaned from the Republican networks.
Republicans have a different explanation for why no documents from their networks were ever released. Over the past several months, officials from the Republican committee have consistently said that their networks were not compromised, asserting that only the accounts of individual Republicans were attacked. On Friday, a senior committee official said he had no comment.
No intelligence that the Russian government directed any of this. None. P-R-O-P-A-G-A-N-D-A.
Denial is not just a symptom of an all night bender. Just admit it your boy Trump is dirty.
Trump is dirty? Funny, because he and Gen. Flynn are going to immediately end Obama and CIA/“Deep State” treason program of arming al-Qaeda and ISIS in Syria in conspiracy with 9/11 Saudis (that is one main reason CIA/“Deep State” is trying to undermine him, i.e. with this weak propaganda (and in other ways)). For example, Trump met with Tulsi Gabbard recently at Trump Tower to speak about Syria, you should hear what she had to say yesterday about it on CNN with Jake Tapper: She told Jake Tapper right to his face that Obama and CIA are arming al-Qaeda and ISIS. Anyway, back to the main point of this thread, from a real journalist who still has integrity:
Liberals Will Cite Russian Hacking To Push For An Electoral College Coup
Now that the Washington Post is out with another “Russian hacking” non-story, the pressure campaign will intensify, and liberals will attempt to goad the Electoral College into interceding against Trump. It really needs to be repeated over and over again that no evidence has yet been presented that the Russian government interfered in the US election on behalf of Trump. Lots of people suddenly believe that as a matter of conventional wisdom, because they keep hearing it repeated uncritically, but it remains the case that no direct evidence has ever been shown to the public. Instead, liberals are cheering CIA’s apparent judgment that Russia hacked the election for Trump. Nevermind that this information was conveyed anonymously, without attribution, to the Washington Post by way of selective leaks. And forget the CIA’s horrendous record of duplicity and wickedness. No, because it is seen to harm Trump, we must all stand up and celebrate this development.
Actually he is right. If you'd look into things a little further than taking your Dem buddy's words for everything, you'd know that they aren't able to factually state that Russia absolutely did it. There is an interview with a congressman who was head of intel (something or other) who was saying that Russia was... yada yada, and when asked to speak into the camera and tell the American people that Russia, in fact, are surely the ones who hacked FOR Trump, he couldn't do it. Instead, he double spoke and did all that political talk. It was quite pathetic.
Aside from the interview, there is no solid intel that proves Russia did it. "None".