CIA left real plastic explosives on Virginia school bus for two days while students rode to school

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    Why the **** is CIA putting plastic explosives into public school and its bus, instead of conducting this live training exercise at secure CIA/private facility? Why is CIA doing this on U.S. public soil?


    CIA left explosive material on Virginia school bus for two days while elementary, high school students rode to school

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/cia-left-explosives-virginia-school-bus-days-article-1.2584927

    Dozens of Virginia elementary and high school students rode to and from school for two days straight on a school bus with explosive materials abandoned by the CIA during a training exercise — and school officials had no idea the potentially dangerous substance was still there.

    The CIA had been conducting training for explosives-detecting dogs on a bus during spring break at Briar Woods High School in Loudoun County, about an hour northwest of Washington, D.C., according to the Washington Post.

    During K-9 training from March 21 to 24, CIA trainers had placed explosive material in the engine compartment of the bus, as well as inside the school, for the dog to find.

    Although the dog found the substance inside the engine, some of the putty-like material had slipped deeper and was wedged behind the hoses and was not discovered until Wednesday during routine maintenance.


    CIA left explosive material on Loudoun school bus after training exercise

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...8f9824-f78d-11e5-a3ce-f06b5ba21f33_story.html

    The CIA left “explosive training material” under the hood of a Loudoun County school bus after a training exercise last week, a bus that was used to ferry elementary and high school students to and from school on Monday and Tuesday with the material still sitting in the engine compartment, according to the CIA and Loudoun County officials.

    The Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office and the CIA said in statements Thursday that the explosive material was left behind after a training exercise at Briar Woods High School during spring break. The CIA said it was a training scenario for explosives-detecting dogs.

    Loudoun schools spokesman Wayde Byard said the CIA indicated the nature of the material but asked the school system not to disclose it. Byard described it as a “putty-type” material designed for use on the battlefield and which requires a special detonator; such putty, or plastic, explosives — including the well-known C-4 — are used in demolition and are considered stable.
     
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    Probably because for training the dogs they want all of the other scents that come with a real life situation to be there so they can make sure the dogs detect explosives in real world conditions.
     
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    What can go wrong?
     
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    Inert explosive training material. Lets remove inert and training then run with the story.

    CIA leaves explosive material on a bus.

    It is not explosive material. It is explosives-training material. It smells like the real stuff but does not have kaboomability.
     
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    Citation needed.

    The articles quoted "stable". That's not the same as inert.

    Ammonium nitrate is stable, but not inert.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium_nitrate#Disasters
     
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    Stable, right. Probably mason jars filled with nitroglycerin. That'd be par for the CIA.
     
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    I can't wait for the usual suspects to tell me why this is all Barry Hussein Obummer's fault.
     
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    They look like moonshine, until they explode.
     
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    C4 according to the Wiki is pretty stable. Shooting it with gun, setting it on fire, dropping it, microwave...none of that sets it off. Da-yum.:eek: It takes a special detonator.
     
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    “The CIA said in a statement that the material was inadvertently left by the agency's K-9 unit and it did not pose a danger to passengers. The training materials used in the exercises are "incredibly stable," the agency said.”

    “Loudoun schools spokesman Wayde Byard said the CIA indicated the nature of the material but asked the school system not to disclose it.”

    Why would CIA ask them not to disclose if it were “benign,” “inert” and “incredibly stable”? Because it was real plastic explosives, that’s why. ;);)
     
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    I would imagine the CIA asked them not to disclose it because they keep their training methods from the public.

    You could probably get the training material to blow up if you attached an explosive to it.
     
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    Thanks for the link.

    None of the officials from CIA or Sheriff's office are quoted as saying "inert". The quotes are "stable" or "incredibly stable". I suspect "inert" is the reporter or editor's choice of word.

    If the material were really inert, as in completely unexplodable, I would think the officials would say it's an inert and unexplodable training material. Instead, they say "incredibly stable", which suggests to me it's not completely inert, mainly because the word "stable" has a meaning distinct from "inert" when dealing with explosives, but in common language they're closer to synonyms.

    Do I think there was a notable increased risk, even if the material were an incredibly stable but still real explosive? Nope.
     
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    Possibly, but I’d bet CIA asked them to not disclose it because they, like any other intelligence service that messes up (intentional or unintentional), buffer fallout with plausible deniability. That is what this is, a form of plausible deniability. It was real plastic explosive.
     
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    The stuff left on that bus is far more stable than most people here in the PRSI.
     
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    As with any conceivable situation, not just a typical anti-anything-government mindset, anything.
     
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    Probably because they don't want to send panic through communities that school buses are rigged with explosives. As someone else mentioned they probably want to expose the dogs to real life situations. Probably sensationalist news outlets wouldn't write sensationalist news articles.

    In reality though no organization ever wants to be humiliated. If they really wanted to cover this up I'm sure they could have found a way.

    Inert is a means chemically unreactive. Technically speaking I don't think anything is really inert... Even inert/noblr gasses. A house made of wood is intent... Until you light it on fire.

    C4 requires a tremendous amount of localized heat or a shockwave to detonate. Throwing it in a fire or a microwave or shooting will not cause an explosion.

    That is why C4 can be carried around by soldiers and thrown around in packages without concern. Otherwise it wouldn't be to practical to delicately move a package of C4 around on the go fearing it could explode at any second.

    While the CIA was stupid enough to forget their C4 on a school bus, they probably weren't stupid to endanger themselves or their dogs or others or the bus company's property having detonators plugged in.

    A flying ember from a fireplace can ignite a rug and burn a house down. That same fireplace can get a log of C4 thrown into it and nothing would happen.
     

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