City of Houston Demands Pastors Turn Over Sermons

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    http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarne...ouston-demands-pastors-turn-over-sermons.html

    what can they possibly do with the sermons?
     
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    One can not deny that religion is one of the various ways used for indoctrination (lack of a better word). It is through there (among other routes) that values (both good and/or bad) are instilled in a person.

    Also keep in mind that this is the South, and how much of a grip organized religion has on the South.

    This could get sticky, as this could be grounds for a 1st Amendment fight versus hate speech.

    BL.
     
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    But hate speech is protected under the first amendment.
     
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    what is "hate" speech? the mayor happens to be a lesbian, would any sermon that preaches against homosexuals be considered "hate" speech?
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    from link
     
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    This seems pretty dodgy on the part of the mayor.
     
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    Because those that could use such a sermon as rationale for any crime they commit against LGBTQ people could find themselves afoul of the Matthew Shepard Act.

    That's why I'm saying that this situation has the potential to get very ugly.

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    The City must be strapped for cash. One of those sermons would rake so much money, they would need six guys just to collect it all.:D:D:D

    Anyhow, the real shocker is the law (*IF*, mind blowingly huge IF it passes) allows men to use the ladies room. Whoa, WHUT!? Oh wait, the approved it back in June. Holy sh...
     
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    It definitely does.

    That said, I feel like something is missing here.

    Why hasn't this been reported anywhere but extreme right wing sites? All you have to do is read the OP to see the slant ("The law, among other things, would allow men to use the ladies room and vice versa" - it actually this deals with transgenders, so that statement is extremely misleading).

    This HERO ordinance has been a HUGE source of contention in Houston. This would be an interesting, and if truthful, very disturbing development. I'm still looking for a real source, though.
     
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    its based on city ordinance
    seems the Mayor is making it about her
     
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    I'm having that very same feeling. Something is odd here.
     
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    would they collect by passing the collection plate? :eek:
     
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    I see impeachment coming for Houston's mayor.
     
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    If this really happened as it's being reported right now, she's doing harm to the gay rights movement. Shame on her for that.
     
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    This PDF [http://www.adfmedia.org/files/WoodfillSubpoenaRequest.pdf ] seems to provide the most information on the case, albeit from the defenses side.

    So obey the subpoena, submit the material requested and let the court make its decision.

    What's the problem here?
     
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    Thanks...

    It looks like this subpoena is directly related to the petition that was filed to repeal the ordinance, and was found to be invalid.

     
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    From the Houston Chronicle ...

    I'm all for efforts to keep churches from engaging in political activities.

    While some claim that this will have a chilling-effect on the pastor's free speech, I don't believe that this would be an issue at all if their speech stuck to, "Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior. Amen."
     
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    As am I. Unless they're willing to give up their tax exempt status...

    The fight against this ordinance has been particularly ugly and it doesn't look like it's going to get better anytime soon.
     
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    I recall sitting in church one time before election, right before we left they announced a "workshop" that was going to go over our "beliefs", I found it odd until the deacon said *****we are NOT telling WHO to vote for or HOW to vote, just letting you know the church stand on some issues**********

    anyways, doubt they will ever let go of their tax cheat,,,,,er exempt status
     
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    Amen, brother. What would Jesus do if someone tried to get him involved in a politic? He would not get involved. "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's," was what he said. [Matthew 22:15-22]
     
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    Thanks for posting this. As usual, the right-wing screed-machine ignores the important details of a case for belligerent fear-mongering.
     
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    Next on Fox News, Democrats stifling free speech in churches.
     
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    I had to work my way past a number of wnd ... free republic ... breitbart sites.

    It's definitely caught the attention of the right-wing blogosphere.

    As usual ... context matters.
     
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    hate the way all of this is getting spun.
     
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    Yet you sourced a right-wing site that was spinning it.
     

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