iPhone “Cleanest” way to immediately jump to iOS 13.1 with brand new iPhone

s2mike

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I get a new iPhone each year and, having been on the beta train all summer, I prefer to set up my brand new iPhone from scratch as opposed to installing with a backup.

I’ll be getting a new iPhone 11 Pro tomorrow and want to immediately install iOS 13.1 Beta 4. What’s the “cleanest” or best way to do that?

A) Unbox the iPhone, set up everything (Face ID, Hey Siri, Wallet, email, etc), download all my apps, etc and THEN install the iOS 13 beta profile and jump to 13.1

B) Unbox the iPhone, skip pretty much everything (Face ID setup, Hey Siri setup, etc) and just immediately download the iOS beta profile and jump to 13.1 and then do a factory reset

C) something else that I’m not considering...

Thanks in advance!
 

kemo

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I doubt it will make any difference, but if it makes you feel better about new phone then "cleanest" way would be to get to the profile installation as fast as possible and update the phone - then set it up (thus point B in your post).

Honestly, just restore the damn phone and upgrade to 13.1 b4. As a bonus spend all the saved time on something worth doing. But to each their own.

Been restoring my settings on all devices for years - no difference at all. Everything's buttery smooth.
 

gwhizkids

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Unless they release a version of 13.1 that is compatible with the new phones, you can't. I think they will do that, but right now, you wouldn' t be able to.

Assuming they do release an 11 specific update, for your desired state, I'd probably go with Option B
 

dmccombs

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If they don't release a 13.1 beta profile for the iphone 11 right away, what is the best way for folks that are on the 13.1 beta to move thier data and settings to a new iphone 11? It sounds like the OP and others are counting on the beta profile working on the iphone 11 from day one, which may not be true.

I have heard that you can delete the beta profile today on your current phone, and when the official IOS 13 is released today, the current phone phone will load IOS 13. Then you do a back-up. Then when you buy the iphone 11 you can restore the IOS 13 back-up. Others say this won't work, and you need to get your current phone onto IOS 12.4 in order for the current phone to load the official IOS 13. Can anyone clarify this?
 

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The reality is that none of us actually know how Apple will handle this as it’s unprecedented. I believe Apple will either allow us to load IOS 13 right onto the new iPhone 11’s from a backup of IOS 13.1 or allow a beta profile to immediately be installed on the new iPhone. The other option also is iCloud is holding a IOS 13 backup separately in preparation for this. If we have to jump through a ton of hoops to get it to work it would be very un-Apple like and it would screw over all your beta testers which I can’t see Apple doing .
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CNebs

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If they don't release a 13.1 beta profile for the iphone 11 right away, what is the best way for folks that are on the 13.1 beta to move thier data and settings to a new iphone 11? It sounds like the OP and others are counting on the beta profile working on the iphone 11 from day one, which may not be true.

I have heard that you can delete the beta profile today on your current phone, and when the official IOS 13 is released today, the current phone phone will load IOS 13. Then you do a back-up. Then when you buy the iphone 11 you can restore the IOS 13 back-up. Others say this won't work, and you need to get your current phone onto IOS 12.4 in order for the current phone to load the official IOS 13. Can anyone clarify this?
Download the IPSW for iOS 13 GM, connect to iTunes, follow the directions to update by manually selecting the IPSW and installing on your current iPhone. Then do a backup. Get your new iPhone 11, restore from your iCloud backup and if Apple releases a profile for iOS 13.1 grab that to install if you need iOS 13.1 so badly.

You won’t be able to restore your iPhone 11 that’ll be on iOS 13 from iOS 13.1 beta 4. The restore process will tell you that the versions aren’t compatible.
 
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richard371

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Knowing so many developers and public beta testers are on 13.1 I doubt Apple will slap all of us in the face by not having 13.1 ready for the iPhone 11. So option B is the best method. otherwise setting up as new or waiting until its released which could be up to the 30th
 

CNebs

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Knowing so many developers and public beta testers are on 13.1 I doubt Apple will slap all of us in the face by not having 13.1 ready for the iPhone 11. So option B is the best method. otherwise setting up as new or waiting until its released which could be up to the 30th
Question is, is the OP an actual developer or just has access and wants the latest and greatest on their daily driver?

I find it interesting for the folks that use it for their daily driver and then when it’s time to upgrade don’t consider implications.
 

gwhizkids

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Question is, is the OP an actual developer or just has access and wants the latest and greatest on their daily driver?

I find it interesting for the folks that use it for their daily driver and then when it’s time to upgrade don’t consider implications.
Seeing as 13.1 has been released as a public beta as well, I don’t see the distinction here. Once its in Public Beta, it is a given that people are installing it on their everyday phone. As someone said in another thread, there are something like 4.5 million people on the betas. 90% of those are likely going to be public beta users.
 

CNebs

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Seeing as 13.1 has been released as a public beta as well, I don’t see the distinction here. Once its in Public Beta, it is a given that people are installing it on their everyday phone. As someone said in another thread, there are something like 4.5 million people on the betas. 90% of those are likely going to be public beta users.
While this may be correct there is no profile as of yet for the iPhone 11 or 11 Pro models for 13.1. With that in consideration, if you’re running 13.1 beta 4 and get a new iPhone tomorrow you won’t be able to do a nice clean upgrade with the restoration of your backed up data unless you know how to go about it. I expect that their may be a profile released for the new iPhones but I doubt it’ll happen first thing tomorrow. I’d expect it later in the day or next week potentially since new betas tend to drop on Tuesdays.
 

mattopotamus

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Question is, is the OP an actual developer or just has access and wants the latest and greatest on their daily driver?

I find it interesting for the folks that use it for their daily driver and then when it’s time to upgrade don’t consider implications.
I've been installing the developer beta on my main device for a few years now. I always make sure a few crucial apps work, do a proper back up, and can restore if need be. I would venture to say there are a lot of us with developer accounts simply to test new software.

To the OP, You are basically doing the exact same thing just in different orders. I personally always do step B. A large reason is because I sometimes am setting the phone up in the apple store. I just want to get it on the latest beta, enter my iCloud info, and can let the apps download once I get home.

A few weeks ago I had my iPhone replaced under AppleCare and chose option B. It was the fastest way to be up and running and out of the store with a working phone, on the proper software. I do option B, but still setup Hey Siri, login to iCloud, and then do the restore since all of that stuff is done when you first are setting up the phone. I just let the apps download at my house.
 

CNebs

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I've been installing the developer beta on my main device for a few years now. I always make sure a few crucial apps work, do a proper back up, and can restore if need be. I would venture to say there are a lot of us with developer accounts simply to test new software.

To the OP, You are basically doing the exact same thing just in different orders. I personally always do step B. A large reason is because I sometimes am setting the phone up in the apple store. I just want to get it on the latest beta, enter my iCloud info, and can let the apps download once I get home.
I agree with the sentiment, but often you’ll see in other threads the question should I install this on my daily driver?, what apps don’t work?, I can’t restore from backup since I’m on a beta how do I fix?, and so on. Step B is the best route, but my concern is if you’re asking which route to go maybe reconsider being on a beta. I’m all for testing, just need to know limits, expectations, and even your own limits when an issue arises.
 

Broken Hope

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Direct device transfer may not care about OS versions, you may be able to transfer a 13.1 device to a 13 device, apparently no one on the entire internet has tested though.
 

s2mike

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I’ve been installing the beta profiles for many years, and am well aware of the issues and complications that may arise.

Like I said, I always set up my new iPhone from scratch. I enjoy it. I don’t mess with backups at all.

I was truly just asking which method would be the “cleanest.” I’m currently running iOS 13.1 and if that’s *not* available with iPhone 11 support by tomorrow, then that’ll make my life even easier and I won’t have to worry about it - I’ll just unbox my new phone and set it up as a brand new device.

Cheers!
 

CNebs

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I’ve been installing the beta profiles for many years, and am well aware of the issues and complications that may arise.

Like I said, I always set up my new iPhone from scratch. I enjoy it. I don’t mess with backups at all.

I was truly just asking which method would be the “cleanest.” I’m currently running iOS 13.1 and if that’s *not* available with iPhone 11 support by tomorrow, then that’ll make my life even easier and I won’t have to worry about it - I’ll just unbox my new phone and set it up as a brand new device.

Cheers!
Good to know, I figured you did but didn’t want to assume. Just wanted to cover bases if you decided to do it via a backup this time. I’m going to bet it’ll be setup new tomorrow and then we will see the betas available either late in the day or next week for the new iPhones.

Hope you enjoy your new iPhone, as I upgrade every year myself. My wife wonders why, it’s fun to have a new toy and it’s an expensive hobby

I do like Broken Hope’s idea, as that may be the future of upgrading every year for those that don’t setup from scratch.
 

mattopotamus

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I agree with the sentiment, but often you’ll see in other threads the question should I install this on my daily driver?, what apps don’t work?, I can’t restore from backup since I’m on a beta how do I fix?, and so on. Step B is the best route, but my concern is if you’re asking which route to go maybe reconsider being on a beta. I’m all for testing, just need to know limits, expectations, and even your own limits when an issue arises.
Agreed. I think a lot of people want to try the beta without knowing exactly how to restore. Sure, you can easily find the info online, but if you didn't make a proper backup it can be a bit of a pain downgrading.
 

Broken Hope

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13.1 ota has been released for the new phones, so just skip everything, install the profile, update then restore from backup is the best option now.
 
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