Clinton attacks Obama over kindergarten essay

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  1. leekohler macrumors G5

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    http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2007/12/the_clinton_pot_calls_the_obam.html

    Can you say "desperate"?

     
  2. ghall macrumors 68040

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    Hilary makes me sick. Yes I said it. I'm probably one of the first left-leaning people in the world to say it. Every time I hear something about what she did, she sinks to a new low. What's sad is those ultra-liberal nuts are going to push hard for her, and she'll probably get the nomination.

    Poor Obama, I really like him.
     
  3. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

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    Actually, most of us here don't like her either. I still can't believe she's done as well as she has so far. I think this is probably the beginning of the end for her.
     
  4. Eric Piercey macrumors 6502

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    I can't stand her personally. Obviously she'd make a better president than what we have now, but I don't think she'd bring about any needed changes. Just more of the same slow economic collapse as we gradually sink into a bank/corporate controlled feudal system (with credit shackles;) while the environment rots, more species become extinct, AIDS,mass genocide, starvation, and other diseases rage on unchecked parts of the world while we dump trillions into a war in Iraq which nets us nothing, blah blah. She's a politician not a visionary. I don't see her as an outright liar like say Gualliani, but I don't see her doing anything significant for America either.

    I can't imagine she'd actually use his 3rd grade and kindergarten aspirations on the presidency in such a way. She's too good a politician, and that would be a very weak move even for a poor politician. Don't believe everything you read.
     
  5. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

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    Everyone makes mistakes. It wouldn't surprise me at all, actually.
     
  6. killerrobot macrumors 68020

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    I think it needs to be "Desperate" with a capital "D". ;)

    I agree 100% with Eric that if elected, she really wouldn't change a thing. Maybe try to balance the budget, but other than that, everything would be the same.
     
  7. ucfgrad93 macrumors P6

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    Unfortunately, it would probably remain the same no matter who is elected. I only see Paul and Kucinach really proposing drastic things, but unable to get much done due to resistance from Congress.
     
  8. Swarmlord macrumors 6502a

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    It's actions like this from the Clinton camp that warm me all over. She may actually be the candidate best suited to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory in 2008. She takes holding one's nose while voting to a new level.
     
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    What a shame you don't have any positive contribution to make.
     
  10. Swarmlord macrumors 6502a

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    Oh yeah. You and several others are just like a breath of fresh air on every War on Terror or economy thread. :rolleyes:
     
  11. PlaceofDis macrumors Core

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    nothing new there.


    and this is hardly surprising from Hilary imo. while i don't agree with Obama on everything, i'd rather see him in office than Hilary.
     
  12. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

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    I have to agree. And it's looking more likely every day that could be the case. Keep your fingers crossed.
     
  13. nbs2 macrumors 68030

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    The only posts with any contribution in this thread are the OP (for starting the thread), Eric (for contending that nothing will change in politics with Hillary at the helm), and ucfgrad (for pointing out that most candidates will maintain the status quo - and the two that wouldn't, likely couldn't get past Congress). Why not point out the failures of others as well?

    As perturbed as I am by this stunt by Hillary, I still think she's shown herself to be better at not caving to every whim of the electorate. I have yet to see her preach tolerance from one side of her mouth while proclaiming her desire to establish "the Kingdom" and be God's instrument in reaching that goal out of the other.
     
  14. Mike Teezie macrumors 68020

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    While I was terribly disappointed in the whole "instrument of God" fiasco, I still hope that Barack gets the nomination over Hillary.

    I don't understand how she jumped out so far so fast - none of my left-ish friends can stand her, nor anyone else I talk to about it. I myself am a Billy Clinton fan, who dislikes Hillary's policy ideas.

    Anyway, why resort to these types of antics? It's insanity, and I'm honestly a bit shocked. Seems a bit bush league for the Clinton campaign.
     
  15. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    You've got it all wrong. The so-called "ultra-liberal nuts" prefer Gravel and Kucinich. Hillary's support is coming from the centrists and DLC-types, not from the fringes.

    But by all means, perpetuate the GOPs framing. They like nothing better than to hear Democrats repeat their talking points for them. :rolleyes:
     
  16. solvs macrumors 603

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    I don't think I know anyone who really likes her, but there she is.

    I don't really like Obama either. Once you get past the (sometimes) great public speaking, and really look at him, he isn't that great. Look at what happened awhile ago when he had that "ex-gay" minister touring with him and said it was about inclusion. Would have been ironic if he didn't already have a gay rights platform that's as good as his healthcare reform one. Which is to say, non-existent.

    Actually, that's her problem is that she is trying to be everything to everyone. I've researched her, and I still don't know where she stands on most of the issues. She's good at playing both sides without really saying anything. But if she's the nominee, I'll have to hold my nose and vote for her just like I did with Kerry, because I don't like the alternative. The only good thing about it will be that at least we'll all agree on the crap she pulls, instead of all of those who forgive GW for those same things now.

    That, and she wasn't too bad last time she was President. ;)
     
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    Well, here is someone who likes Hillary. I think she's a pragmatic liberal, which is exactly what I think we need. Obama just does not convince me he has a clue. He sure does give a nice speech, though! At least sometimes...
     
  18. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    That must mean you're an "ultra-liberal nut"!
     
  19. Naimfan macrumors 68040

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    :D

    That's not what I'm accused of by others here! ;)
     
  20. Virgil-TB2 macrumors 65816

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    I like Obama too, but as a "left-leaning" person you might want to consider that Obama is actually a pretty right-wing kind of guy.

    He is against gun control. He is in favour of the whole Homeland security thing and the spying on the population thing that Bush gets tarred with all the time. He is against gay marriage and gays in the military last I heard also.

    Even Hillary is a tad more "left" (at least on paper) than Obama.

    The only person running that truly espouses views that could rightly be called "left" is Kucinich and sadly he has not got a hope in heck of getting anywhere near the White House.
     
  21. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    I'm constantly amused by the completely off-base rhetoric thrown around as fact here. Hillary, an ultra-liberal? Seriously, if you make that claim I know you are either watching too much FOX News or you're just uninformed.
     
  22. Naimfan macrumors 68040

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    Kindly point to where I said Hillary is an "ultra liberal?" I'll wait....

    I said no such thing. I said I view her as a pragmatic liberal, which to me means more centrist then ultra-liberal.

    As for watching Fox, that'd be a challenge since the only thing connected to my TV is a DVD player.

    Incidentally, is anything in Hillary's press release factually incorrect?
     
  23. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about the person who made the off-hand remark, unchallenged by anyone except myself, that anyone who supports Hillary is an "ultra-liberal nut". My amusement is that that kind of rhetoric gets used blithely by people here despite it's complete lack of grounding in the truth.

    Again, not talking about you.

    I dont' know. She's a politician, so my first instinct is to say "of course".
     
  24. solvs macrumors 603

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    It's not just here. The rules have changed, and anyone to the left of far right is far left. I used to be considered quite moderate. As I would in most other industrialized countries. Suddenly by disliking Bush and the Iraq disaster, I've become an ultra leftist socialist. Me and ~70% of the rest of the country apparently. What's funny is, I haven't really changed. I may be progressive socially, but fiscally and as far as defense is concerned, I'm actually fairly conservative. What the current administration is doing now isn't conservatism. GOP members, even in this very forum, have said so, but continue to support him. Forgetting that even if you dislike the other side, you don't have to like this side. Something moderates and libs alike are learning all too well from the Dems.

    It'll be nice if a Dem gets back into the WH so I can criticize them again without getting so much flack. Even from the libs. Especially if they're mostly fairly good, so what criticism they might face better be legitimate, lest it be fall on deaf ears who are otherwise fine. And after the current guy, the bar has been set pretty low.

    You know, sadly I hear it so much now, I don't even notice anymore, but it certainly is incorrect if one really looks at her and her stances.
     
  25. Naimfan macrumors 68040

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    My bad, then. I assumed you meant me when you quoted me:
     

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