Clinton IT specialist invokes the Fifth 100+ times

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    http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/284481-clinton-it-specialist-invokes-the-fifth-100-times


    By Julian Hattem - 06/22/16 02:57 PM EDT

    The man believed to have set up and maintained the private server in the basement of then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s New York home invoked his Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination more than 125 times during a deposition as part of a civil court case on Wednesday.

    Fox News reported that Bryan Pagliano’s sworn testimony with conservative organization Judicial Watch lasted for roughly 90 minutes, during which the IT expert repeatedly read a carefully worded statement off of an index card while refusing to answer questions.

    Pagliano’s deposition on Wednesday was originally scheduled to occur more than two weeks ago, but was postponed when his lawyers notified the court that the former State Department employee would be pleading the Fifth.

    The IT official could have provided key information in the case, which might have resolved lingering questions about the state of Clinton’s private server, how information was preserved and the security protocols used to protect her data.

    But he declined to answer questions, his lawyers said, in part due to the federal government’s decision to grant him limited immunity as part of its ongoing criminal probe related to the server and the possibility that classified information was mishandled.

    After a back-and-forth between the two legal teams, Judge Emmet Sullivan ruled this month that the details of that immunity deal could remain secret.

    Despite his resistance to give up any possible incriminating information, Pagliano’s appearance in the deposition with Judicial Watch might reflect poorly on Clinton, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee

    Unlike in criminal cases, judges in civil suits are allowed to draw inferences from a witness’s decision not to answer questions, potentially increasing the likelihood that Clinton herself is asked to testify as part of the Judicial Watch lawsuit. Clinton’s campaign would surely vigorously oppose any request for her to appear, and the event could dramatically shake up the presidential race.

    Judicial Watch has filed multiple open records lawsuits related to Clinton’s exclusive use of a private email account and server while serving as the nation’s top diplomat. Depositions have been granted in two of those cases, and the decision in a third was this week put on hold pending the outcomes of those two other cases.

    Two other former aides are scheduled to be interviewed before the end of the month: longtime deputy Huma Abedin and Undersecretary for Management Patrick Kennedy.
     
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  3. Robisan macrumors 6502

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    Get ready for fair-weather constitutionalists to be appalled.
     
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    It doesn't look good for Hillary, but this is what the 5th amendment is used for. He can't incriminate himself, so the FBI now had to do more work to prove their case.
     
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    Absolutely, she's innocent until proven guilty and so is he.
    However this is separate from the FBI investigation, where he was given immunity in exchange of incriminating testimony.
     
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    No one is ever going to convict Hillary. I wouldn't count on it.
     
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    Good for him.

    I can't wait to see all the right wing heads explode when she's not only not indicted, but inaugurated as well.

    That alone will trump my personal hatred of Hillary and make it all worth it.
     
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    Don't underestimate Comey
     
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    Comey is irrelevant. The FBI doesn't indict anybody. The DOJ does. The same DOJ ran by the sitting President who also endorsed Hillary.
     
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    If the FBI recommends indictment do you honestly think that there is not going to be any consequence? Do you think that if the FBI has a strong case the DOJ will be able to ignore it?
    This investigation is taking this much because the FBI is building a strong case (whether for recommending indictment, or not) that no lawyer will be able to dismantle.
     
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    You don't know what his testimony was. You have no source or basis for claiming it was incriminating.
     
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    If you're given immunity you're given it because of a crime, or something potentially incriminating. You don't get immunity for being law abiding because there's no need for it.
     
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    Hey, if the 2nd Amendment is so sacrosanct, why not the 5th? :p
     
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    The current DOJ is run by corrupt insane people that follow Barry's orders.

    However if they don't indict the witch the FBI will go public.
     
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    I agree with you. She is above the law, and we will see nothing come of this. However, I think justice and accountability should come before the hatred of a group of people (in this case the conservatives).
     
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    You think that someone is complaining about the 5th aren't you.
     
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    If the case is strong Obama won't be able to stop it.
     
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    The fix is in. Obama already held closed-door meetings with Attorney General Lynch where he no doubt ordered her to set aside her professional integrity and ignore any indictment recommendations originating from Director Comey's bureau. Lynch will carry out those orders to a "T" and there is no way Hillary will get indicted; in fact, if I was Director Comey I'd be carrying a geiger counter with me. Watch out for those polonium lattes, if you get my drift.
     
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    IF and I repeat IF there is academy to answer then Hillary should and must face it.

    However, so far all the evidence points the other way - that she has done not illegal.

    This "story" is nothing. It is filled with "may", "could" etc it is just a piece for people like the op to jerk off to.
     
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    Barry is a sociopathic murderer, just like Hitlary and Bush.

    These people are capable of absolutely anything.
     
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    Comey would go public, again, if the case against her is strong. There is no way that the FBI would let someone it's recommending for indictment do become president just for political favors.
     
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    I seriously doubt Lynch has any integrity whatsoever.
     
  23. zin macrumors 6502

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    Some misunderstanding. Here's a brief overview.

    The man in question already has an immunity deal with federal prosecutors concerning the FBI's ongoing criminal investigation and any potential court proceedings. This deal was disclosed in a sealed filing presented to the judge presiding over this, separate, civil suit. The judge then decided that the man in question was permitted to invoke the Fifth Amendment (in a civil suit, the judge can punish you if you do not answer without good reason) during his deposition.

    The reason he is invoking the Fifth Amendment is because he could have provided responses during the civil suit that conflicted with the information he has supplied to the FBI. That, obviously, would not be good as it amounts to obstruction of justice and lying to investigators. The judge evidently believed that his responses during deposition could have resulted in him incriminating himself, hence permitting him to invoke the Fifth (about once every 47 seconds).

    None of this means he has done anything wrong. We don't know the details of the immunity agreement, nor do we know the testimony he has already provided to federal investigators. But it takes a lot of mental juggling to ignore the fact that a substantial part of his deposition, which concerned the use of Mrs. Clinton's private email server, remains unanswered because the information had likely already been provided to the FBI through an immunity agreement. Those agreements don't just get handed out to everybody being questioned.
     
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    What are they going to do about it?
     
  25. APlotdevice macrumors 68040

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    No, I think you're judging a man who is "simply exercising his constitutional rights".
     

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