Clinton suddenly sounds a lot like Trump on trade

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  1. zin macrumors 6502

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    Introducing Donald Trump's Hillary Clinton's position on trade.




     
  2. flyinmac macrumors 68030

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    Stories and plans will always change during a campaign. It's not about the truth or what you plan on doing. It's about saying whatever the crowd you're catering to wants to hear.
     
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    She would eat her own poop for an extra vote.
     
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    But but but today she said she would turn down TPP.
     
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    There is a reason Hillary refuses to release the transcripts from her million dollar speeches. She speaks to the crowd based on their ability to contribute. Says what they want to hear. Always has. Reverse her position? Only if there is $$$ on the table.
     
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    I think the only good thing that has come out of Trump's campaign is that there are many Americans who have been left behind in the economy, and they feel abandoned, desperate and angry enough to vote for The Bloviator™. This is why Clinton has changed her tune. She is a politcian in a democratic society who is reacting to the will of the voters. Nothing sinister about that...

    I think this has uncovered a basic social issue, but it is being lost in the debate about free trade and immigration. People believe they are being left behind due to competition from other people, but actually most manufacturing tasks now can be performed by machines. If even all the US business returned manufacturing to US soil, it doesn't mean the production of huge numbers of blue-collar jobs. So the real question is WTF will we as a society do when machines replace so many blue-collar (and white-collar) jobs that most people would not be able to find a job. I think the first answer is to be the world's producer and maintenance crew of the machines (rather like Germany, Japan, S Korea, Switzerland, etc.), but in the long run eventually the machines will be building each other so there won't be enough work to go around for humans. In all honesty when this happens I'd like to see us kick back and enjoy life while the machines do the work. However, if we take a model if society in which a job equates to a person's value, then we are headed for disaster because the top 1% won't need the bottom 99%.
     
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    #CrapHillarySaystoGetElected
     
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    Hillary is sounding more like Bernie. That's a good thing. I choose to have a sane person executing economic policy, not spending all their time mud wrestling.
     
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    I think without work i would be bored ********.
     
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    A lot of this I agree with. However the top 1% will always need the bottom 99% more than we need them.

    Without us they have no customers and zero income, zero workforce and only capital expenses.

    There needs to be a quantum shift on how "success" is measured. Yes profit is one aspect - but only one and it should not be the most important. The number of people it employs, their average wage, the benefits it provides should all be key markers in "success" but even more importantly is the overall "good" that the company does. So if you're BP and destroying our planet then you can offset that by employing more people with better wages and benefits - but to truly be considered "successful" and worth investing in then you need to repay the damage you do - so maybe 40-50% of profits go to helping communities like the Appalachian states.

    Same goes for Walmart and all the rest. Companies need to realise that they have at least us much if not more responsibility to their communities and the world as they do their shareholders.
     
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    The Illuminati/Free Masons puppet masters got their strings tangled up. Just goes to show, our 2 party system is a joke.:mad: The illusion of choice, when the only difference is whether you get trampled by the right foot or the left foot.:rolleyes:

    I'm voting 3rd party straight down the ballot now.
     
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    Don't you find it unsettling that she seems to have no real stance on anything at all. She's like a chameleon.
     
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    Isn't that good for a politician? They are supposed to represent the people.

    With TTIP and TPP. Given Brexit was over those trade deals to some degree I don't see them going forward with or without Hilary.
     
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    I don't think this is good for a politician. If you are a Representative then you should of course represent the majority of your respective district. That's different than being a presidential candidate that changes with any shifting wind.
     
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    I know some on the left will not agree, but what Hillary actually believes (not what she says) is a lot closer to Donald than Bernie.
     
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    Apart from being. You know. Sane
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    I think the EU has probably told Hilary the deal isn't going to happen. I really can't see them doing a deal that millions of their citizens are against and which left wing (pro EU usually) groups will raise a stink over in light of Brexit.
     
  18. Herdfan macrumors 6502

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    Core beliefs, not actions.
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    Yes, all the people. Most politicians only represent their party. Not its members, the party bosses which gives them committee memberships and power.
     
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    What are Hilary's core beliefs.

    I agree. But if you represent the people you have to change your mind when the people do.
     
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    What makes you think this?
     
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    th.jpeg

    This would be a better chameleon.
     
  22. samcraig macrumors P6

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    Well The Donald has NEVER flip-flopped. Never. Many people tell me it's never happened. If you're looking for a flip-flopper , Hillary is UUUUUGE. Donald - he's never done it.
     
  23. zin thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Does anybody actually believe her? Do people on this forum actually think she won't sign it? Her own VP was praising TPP not even seven days before he was selected as her running mate.

    Additionally, there seems to be a strange absence of the folks who claimed Mr. Trump was trying to start a trade war with his position on tariffs. It seems Hillary wants to start some trade wars, too.
     
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    The simple truth is that politicians will say anything that sounds good at the moment to get votes.

    The only way to evaluate them is based on what they have done with their official powers leading up to now.
     
  25. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    I don't think she will sign it.

    There's a difference between a new trade deal and adding tariffs.
     

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