"Clinton to white, working-class voters: I'll 'fight' for you"

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  1. thermodynamic Suspended

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    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...bus-tour-kaine-pennsylvania-midwest/87801650/


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    Smart strategy. She knows exactly who she needs to target.
     
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    I saw some of that today on TV. Both she and Tim Kaine made speeches that came across as genial and caring. If this is their "counter programming" to Trump's bluster, they'll do well with voters.
     
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    LOL like she even knows a single working class family. She hasn't even driven in 20 years.
     
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    No, it's a brilliant ruse...

    Telling her minions, those who hang on her every word, exactly what they want to hear, Hillary is cunning, clever and adept at deceiving the gullible rather ignorant liberals.
     
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    Like that is surprising? Hillary grew up from a middle-class family but her mother grew up poor. Trump was already a bully by 8 and even punched his music teacher. He lived inside a mansion as a child. Trump represents like 1% of America. The super rich white people. Not just rich. Super rich and prideful to be white. Not just an 8-figure guy like Jay-Z claims. Try 10-11 figure income. His income makes all of us feel very insignificant and underprivileged no matter how much more good hearted we are compared to Trump.

    He is worth anywhere from $1B-$10B. Hillary is only worth anywhere from $10M-$50M. People say Hillary is CORRUPT and a liar. Uh huh, while Trump is a nicer guy worth 100x more? All his kids are rich while Chelsea has fairly simple living. Hillary is for the working class and can represent 99% of Americans. Trump represents all the slimy, evil corporations and aristocrats. The same people who complain about Apple laughing all the way to the bank making money on us, poor folks.
     
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    As a guy who lives in Pa and very recently travelled through a large chunk of NY state, she doesn't have a chance in those 2 states. The signs of support for Trump and of course the negative signs for Hillary are rampant.

    You can't tell a white working man that you are going to give college and every other program away for free. They are much smarter than that and know taxes will be raised on them for programs they will never use.
     
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    I would hardly call supporting a con-man candidate who has a long history of screwing over working class people like them smart. But hey, these people have been voting against their best interest for years in hopes that trickle down economics would somehow help them. And yes, taxes would obviously need to be raised to pay for the educational programs but it would be the rich folks bearing that burden not the poor people benefiting from the program. You can't help people who don't want to help themselves.
     
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    All she needs is the support of NYC to win NY.
     
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    Obama won PA. twice even with his clinging to guns and religion comment. Most recent polls from PA not looking good for Trump or Toomey. AFAIK, NY isn't being polled.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

    See Thursday 7/28
     
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    You desperately need a dose of reality.
     
  13. thermodynamic, Jul 31, 2016
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    She's copying Trump, the racist candidate everyone hates. But it's okay when Hillary does it?
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    One can, but one was more likely going to believe Sanders. Even if they hate him, even if they also knew Sanders discussed taxation (removing corporate welfare, reducing corporate tax breaks on already not-high corporate tax rates, or raising taxes on everybody. Which brings to the larger question of how long the country can withstand tax breaks, given how high they were before some trickle down economics was instituted and how the national debt has skyrocketed since... correlation is not causation, but considering how taxes pay for a lot of the corporate welfare entitlements, it's not a fiction to bring it up either.)
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    It'd be nice if the people who went out to help themselves get a little help, too.

    A lot of freebies do seem to go to people who don't want to work but instead show pride in slagging off help, therapists, and so on. Those who can't work is one thing, but there truly are lazy that don't want to and think it's fun in acting that way. Big difference. But thankfully all those jobs are being automated or offshored if they haven't been already. Then what?
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    Like this one?

    http://www.computerworld.com/articl...-it-workers-must-train-h-1b-replacements.html

    She is right, it is heartbreaking. What's your take on the article? (Be wary of the reader comments, a lot of them are truly hateful and outlandish, but read and judge for yourself.)
     
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    Yes, technology and automation have eliminated many manual labor jobs but the answer isn't to reject evolution but rather adapt by learning new skills. I imagine a hundred years ago people who manually dug ditches for a living with a shovel were against the advent of heavy machinery. Republicans are always arguing about personal responsibility. Apparently educating themselves with the essential skills needed in today's economy doesn't count as personal responsibility. Is that not the definition of lazy?
     
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    Not quite. There is nothing wrong with trying to sell yourself to a certain demographic by telling them what you intend to do to improve their lives. That's Clinton's strategy and there's nothing "racist" about it. Trump's strategy is to use their fear, biases, and lack of formal education to win them over by scapegoating minorities. White supremacist groups haven't felt this empowered by a major party presidential candidate in many decades. Let me know when Hillary starts talking about building walls and banning Muslims.
     
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    Obama had the Africa American vote and the Republicans had no one interesting. Hillary is not going to carry the African American vote this time and Trump is interesting. Pa even had 600k Democrats switch registration to Republican this year.
     
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    LOL, the blacks love Trump. :D

    He polled zero, yes, zero in Ohio a few weeks ago. With a margin of error of 3%, he might actually have negative black support. :p


    From 2 weeks ago.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...onald-trump-with-0-percent-of-the-black-vote/
     
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    So there is virtue in being poor? Vote for the person with the lesser net worth? It that now it works now?
     
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    He polled 0 in Pa a couple weeks ago. You are missing the point though. African Americans will not come out to vote this time like they did for Obama. They will stay home.
     
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    No it wouldn't. Higher taxes effect everyone across the economy. It would redistribute money to college students, causing college costs to rise while making degrees less valuable. Professors will benefit, universities will build new, gold plated facilities, and create more useless degrees, helping to solve the barista shortage plaguing urban America at the moment.

    Raising corporate taxes to pay for university won't help employment at all.
     
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    Good luck with that.
     
  22. thermodynamic, Jul 31, 2016
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    Oversimplified, lacking a few details that have been commonplace knowledge for years now, but not inaccurate.

    Oh, who said anyone was against education? Of course, if you looked up the costs between 1978 and now (think 1120% higher, and back then a summer job could pay for it without being debt slaves)... as we start to look at this, how often the average worker changes careers (for various reasons, not always through desired choice), and so on, you will find just how oversimplified things are. Especially if you ever get to live it, then you will understand more points of view than ever deemed fathomable.
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    Um, college costs have been going up through the roof for 35 years. 1120% more and more if you looked. Especially during and "after" the great recession where more people went back to college, and colleges know there is no competition for a college degree. Who needs your lengthy explanation when the far simpler law of supply and demand is quicker to point out why college costs are no longer sustainable.

    Never mind grade inflation, which in turn has caused companies to demand higher degrees for even menial jobs. This has been reported on, but you're quick to blame something that Barney the Dinosaur must have taught because he's out of touch with the real world too.

    Everyone else has had to take pay cuts, how about college exec levels? Oh, will they cry like congress about needing to "put food on their families" (sic) too, as if students and workers are just chattel or disposable?!

    Taxes pay for roads, police, fire, a lot of things that have been public/private joint ventures, and even corporate welfare. How much farther can we cut taxes before the country drowns? People will still bitch about the lack of quality and private industry is more likely going to flee since it sees no profit in America unlike in the past and Americans helped train it all away, nobody places value on anything but then decides it's still okay to bitch about things relevant to the devaluation, and socialists like you blindly support it.

    Are you in your 50s or older, and/or retired? Or just another millennial that won't pay attention because Pokeman is more fun?
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    We don't know either way.

    Good luck to everyone.
     
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    Yes, the cost of college is ridiculous but isn't that free market capitalism at work and now that Republicans are hell bent on cutting funding for public colleges, the working class are basically SOL. But they'll keep voting these Republicans in office :)
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    Sure keep drinking that kool-aid. Basically what you're saying is that the working class are SOL. This is precisely why the GOP is in a death spiral.
     
  24. 5684697, Jul 31, 2016
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    Koolaid and "working class" my ass. Can you handle reality?

    What you don't understand is that university is subsidized by below market rates on loans. This causes universities to have access to monies that they normally wouldn't, and results in ridiculous increases in tuition. I am sure that you whinge and moan about increases in consumer prices, and want "the government" to do something about those greedy corporations, but you never, ever stop to look at tuition. I just paid for two kids to complete college in the US, and tuition was going up 11-17% per year while inflation was less than a percent in real terms.

    What explains that? Where is the outrage that exists when Apple raises prices on anything? The expectation is that everything should be "free" right? Well that is a huge lie. It isn't free at all, it is merely paid for by someone else. And Hillary's plan only applies to couples making less than $125,000, because well, anyone making $130,000 doesn't deserve it!

    Guess who will be paying for that "free college"? YOU WILL! Your taxes will be higher as you finally begin to earn, there isn't enough money left from the "rich" to pay for it all. Raising corporates rates you say? Well who pays that? The consumers of the goods and services of the corporation, which raises prices to compensate.

    There is no free lunch, perhaps you can understand that. What you want is a Santa Claus party that gives you everything your little heart desires.
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    You are half right (completely wrong about who I am, but your arrogance and bigotry is not my problem) about supply and demand, but part of the demand is created by below market rates for loans and the university system itself. There is no competition in college, and Hillary's plan will make it even worse. The public school system taken as a whole is a massive failure. This will extend the mess.
     
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    You seem to think we don't understand that, kinda like we also know that free health care isn't really free either both are just free at time of use. I'm willing to pay more in taxes to make both of these things happen.
     

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