CNN/Tea Party Debate 9/12

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Lord Blackadder, Sep 13, 2011.

  1. Lord Blackadder macrumors G5

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    I didn't watch the whole thing start to finish (had to work late today), but I caught bits of it. I can't eliminate my own personal bias from any analysis of the candidates, but I tried to evaluate who seemed to be performing well according to GOP voters as a whole.

    Obviously Rick Perry is the flavor of the month, a fact confirmed by the tactic of the rest of the field to give him the hardest time. No real surprises there. Perry's focus on economic arguments is at least germane to America's biggest problem at the moment, even if I reject his economic platform. I would imagine that tack will serve him well against his opponents unless the nation rebounds strongly in the next 6 months. However, for those fiscally conservative but socially progressive voters out there, this debate once again demonstrates the fact that the GOP considers a deep Christian-informed social conservatism to be a fundamental plank of the platform it's selling to voters.

    Bachmann and Santorum seem assigned to provide comic relief, while Gingrich and Cain appear to be extras hired to fill vacant podium slots.

    Ron Paul's comments about America's antagonism of the Muslim world provoking terrorism contained some important kernels of truth yet were loudly booed by the peanut gallery and condemned by the rest of the field. He and Huntsman's biggest weaknesses are an unwillingness to follow the current party line, and it seems destined to mark them as undesirables in the current political climate. The fact that liberals are likely to agree with one or two things Huntsman says all but dooms him.

    Romney still seems to have a reasonably good shot at the nomination, especially if Perry has any missteps. I can't see the rest of the field catching these two.

    Also, there seems to be no room here for Palin here.

    There is a long way to go yet though. Personally I think Cain, Gingrich, Paul and Huntsman are all very unlikely to go anywhere besides a possible VP nod. But any of the rest have a shot in the current political climate. It's still possible that the real extremists like Santorum or Bachmann could pull the nomination.
     
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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/12/tea-party-debate-health-care_n_959354.html
    Revolting.
     
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    I'm already disgusted by those people for when Rick Perry talked about Texas having the most amount of executions and the crowd applauded. I really don't care who goes against the Republicans, I'd vote for a broom with a bucket for a head before I'd vote for one of them.
     
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    That actually makes me VERY upset. I can't stop rereading that sentence. They won't feel the same when they get cancer, of course people with their intelligence level likely don't get paid much at their jobs, so im sure they have medicaid. These are likely the same people who would be supporting hitler if they lived in germany 70 years ago.

    I'm for the death penalty, but still, it's not something you celebrate like that. It's not really applause worthy.
     
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    No, they called themselves national socialist for a reason.
     
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    They have to start losing elections.

    If they don't make any significant gains in 2012, I think we'll see the end of the Tea Party.
     
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    Let's hope so. These people are vile, disgusting pieces of garbage.
     
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    Last night during the debate, my friend in Maryland sent me a link to a YouTube video that simply had the Barnum & Bailey circus theme song.

    Epic and hilarious.
     
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    It was about an hour long debate, many issues were covered. You guys are commenting on a 1 second outburst during a question to Ron Paul by someone from the audience. All of the sudden they're flipping Nazis?
     
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    Is this some sort of bizarre new televised sport like tossing dwarves?
     
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    yeah it would be funny if it weren't so sad.
     
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    I would like to learn that sport. Sounds like fun. :)
     
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    All of a sudden? Really? There is nothing sudden about it.

    Election "fraud;" curtailing civil liberties in response to a well-publicized disaster; a reckless foreign policy without the mandate of the electorate and despite the opposition of most foreign nations; increasing popularity with conservative voters by mounting an aggressive public relations campaign against unrelated foreign enemies; promoting militarism in the midst of economic recession (or depression as it was called during the thirties); displays of great populist enthusiasm in patriotic speeches, but primarily serving wealthy investors; a vision of our nation's unique historic destiny almost as a religious cause sanctioned by God; a vision of a future world order that guarantees the US' hegemonic supremacy rather than cooperative harmony under the authority of the United Nations (or League of Nations); quickly making and breaking diplomatic ties, and generous promises that are soon abandoned, as in the cases of Mexico, Russia, Afghanistan, and even New York City; scrapping of international treaties, most notably the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, the Biological Weapons Convention, the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, the Convention on the Prohibition of Land Mines, the Chemical Weapons Convention, the Kyoto Global Warming Accord, and the International Criminal Court; repeating lies often enough that they come to be accepted as the truth (WMD?); incessantly shifting the arguments to justify invading Iraq; emphasizing the ruthlessness of their enemies in order to justify their own; pride in war, global ambition, waging any number of illegal preemptive wars; willingness to engage in wars of "choice" as well as wars of necessity; pursuit of war without cutting back on the peacetime economy; possession of a war machine much bigger and more effective than the military capabilities of other nations; relying on an axis of collaborative allies, which are described as a "coalition of the willing," in order to give the impression of a broad popular alliance; willing to go to war over the objections of the U.N. (League of Nations); launching unilateral invasions on a supposedly preemptive basis; depending on a military strategy that features a "shock and awe" blitzkrieg beginning with devastating air strikes, then an invasion led by heavy armored columns; willing to inflict high levels of bloodshed against enemy nations (for every U.S. fatality, probably as many as forty Iraqi have died);no qualms about imposing "regime change" by installing Quisling-style client governments backed by a U.S. military occupation with both political and economic control entirely in the hands of Americans; curtails civil liberties in captive nations and depends on detention centers (i.e., concentration camps) such as a Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, and any number of secret interrogation centers across the world; uses the threat of enemies abroad to stir the fearful allegiance of the U.S. public; uses the threat of terrorism to justify extraordinary domestic powers granted by the Patriot Act; depends on a propaganda machine to guarantee sympathetic news management (the most obvious case is the Fox news channel); obsessed with their vision of conflict between good (U.S. patriotism) and evil (anti-Americanism); pleasure in the mythology of frontier justice; oh, and the misconstruing of Darwinism, in Hitler's case by treating the Aryan race as being superior on an evolutionary basis, in the US' case by rejecting science for fundamentalist creationism.

    (list borrowed from the first google result that popped up)
     
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    And that's not even the whole list. I could add quite a bit to it myself. You need to add "blaming minorities for all the nation's problems".
     
  18. Lord Blackadder thread starter macrumors G5

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    I agree. Speaking as a liberal, there is plenty to criticise besides that. The outburst was shockingly ignorant, but no more ignorant than some of the things that came out of candidates' mouths.
     
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    This "gem" from Bachmann after the debate pissed me off. She's a ****ing retard.

     
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    It's interesting to see the audience reactions to the candidates. In the last debate the audience applauded for the death penalty, this time they booed Ron Paul for arguing against US adventurism.

    I wonder how much these audiences reflect the general feelings among GOP members.
     
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    Come on! Really? Is this really all we can expect from Republicans? That is a blatant lie she just told.
     
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    Well, the GOP is hardly a monolithic entity. I would say that the crowd appeared to consist mostly of Tea Party Republicans - middle class, anti-intellectual, very religious. They did not, for example, represent big-business or wealthy Republicans, or moderates.

    One wonders how the crowd was chosen.
     
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    I sent Gallup and Pew Research an email suggesting to make a poll on that (Do you agree that those who cannot afford health care should be left to die?).

    I encourage everybody else who's curious to see just how far on the fringe the Tea Party is to do the same.

    http://www.gallup.com/contactUs/default.aspx
    http://pewresearch.org/contact/
     
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    But she wasn't in the age to receive Gardasil when it was released. :confused:

    Must be something else that caused that retardation. These idiots are going to lie us back to the stone age.
     
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    For those of us who don't want to listen to that evil witch speak can't watch video at work, can you summarize what she said?
     

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