Co-Chair of the Socialist Party USA: Obama isn't a socialist. He's not even a liberal

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  1. gibbz macrumors 68030

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    Ask The Card-Carrying Socialists: Is Obama One Of Them?
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    Billy Wharton should be happy."Socialized health care" is on its way. The "socialist agenda" is taking over America. And best of all, Barack Obama, a "committed socialist ideologue," is in the Oval Office.

    But Wharton, co-chair of the Socialist Party USA, sees no reason to celebrate. He's seen people with bumper stickers and placards that call Obama a socialist, and he has a message for them: Obama isn't a socialist. He's not even a liberal.

    "We didn't see a great victory with the election of Barack Obama," Wharton says, " and we certainly didn't see our agenda move from the streets to the White House."

    "It makes no rational sense. It clearly means that people don't understand what socialism is."
     
  2. Peterkro macrumors 68020

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    Truth, that won't go down very well with the newspeak posters.
     
  3. Don't panic macrumors 603

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    LOL, surprise! surprise!
    only the uber-ignorants on the far right could see anything remotely socialist in obama's presidency.
     
  4. R.Perez macrumors 6502

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    Yup, I have friends in the ISO (international socialist organization) and RCP (revolutionary communist party) and they are some of the most anti-Obama people I know. I am sure the right-wingers will come up with some excuse for this one though, they always do.
     
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    The most charitable explanation I can come up with it that it's all a matter of perspective. As the late great George Carlin once noted of freeway drivers, "anyone going slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is insane."

    In this case, anyone to the left of you is a socialist, and anyone to the right of you is a nazi.

    Of course, back when GWB was pretzledent, we had pages-long discussions here about why it was inappropriate to call right-wingers nazis, and how it was inappropriate to say that the nation was becoming a nazi-like state under GWB. Nearly every time the 'nazi' trope was hauled out, there were pages and pages of pushback.

    Yet Obama is called a socialist in casual terms, and not just by the denizens of the interwebs. High ranking Republican officeholders routinely employ the term to describe Obama, his policies, or both.

    Can we all imagine if sitting US Senators were calling Bush a nazi? We saw how frothy the right got when MoveOn let an anonymous submittal calling Bush a nazi be posted on their site for a short time. Imagine if that had been Henry Waxman or Barbara Lee who made the accusation. Imagine if pundits on the cable talk shows routinely described Bush and/or his policies as nazi-esque. Imagine what would have happened if minority groups began arming themselves and talking about having to resist the nazi takeover of the Bush junta. Would that have been tolerated?
     
  6. R.Perez macrumors 6502

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    I am probably the most radical-left member of the forum, or if not close to it. However my family is Jewish, as such the Bush nazi references ALWAYS bothered me.

    Bush was not a nazi. He was however pushing us towards more and more of a police state. Those 2 a very different. Just because a person can make comparisons between rendition to black prison sites and the Gestapo does not mean they are accurate or that they should.
     
  7. Peterkro macrumors 68020

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    I think the idea is being overstated, there are many people on the forum those of the left and liberals who went to great lengths to show how ridiculous the idea that Bush Two was a fascist is.

    (some people also made reference to his grandfathers dealings with the Nazis)
     
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    i don't think the idea that bush administration was pushing the country into a proto-fascist situation was without merit.
    certainly there is much more truth in that that in the obama-socialist meme.
     
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    I used to be a card carrying member of the Washington State Socialist Party.

    Obama is nowhere near the views of the Socialist Party.
     
  10. Peterkro macrumors 68020

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    This is true,mind you I have my doubts about the Socialist Party U.S. being socialist also.:)
     
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    I think the difference is that although to the ignorant right-wingers "Socialist" is as derogatory a term as "Nazi", to those who actually understand what socialism is, it's not (socialism may not be desirable to everyone, but it doesn't indicate *evil* if you have any clue what it is). So while it's incorrect, it's not offensive to those being labeled in quite the same was as "Nazi" is.
     
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    I agree. That's why I no longer am registered as a Socialist. I'm now officially independent.
     
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    tell the few of us with half a brain something we don't know. Unfortunately, the stupit people this statement is meant to enlighten still won't be able to figure it out.
     
  14. R.Perez macrumors 6502

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    But if you listened to conservatives, democrats are a far-left and all independents are in between democrats and republicans with a slight lean to the right. Such ******** :p
     
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    Even the very liberal left-wing democrats are nowhere near socialist. And I'm independent in strictest definition of the word. I'll vote for whomever I choose. I will say I have never voted for a republican.
     
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    Socialists not willing to confirm Obama's political allegiances is not at all surprising therefore we need to judge his socialist record by the demonstrated acts we've observed in his political record. Many of these are quite clear but let's review...

    ✓ Obama was endorsed in 1996 by the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America for Illinois state senate.

    ✓ Obama eulogized Saul Mendelson, a well-known socialist activist.

    ✓ Obama campaigned for socialist senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont.

    ✓ ObamaCare, the recently passed health reform, is described by many on both sides of the political aisle as essentially a socialist project in medical reform.

    ✓ Obama recently spoke at Columbia University of a national volunteer program that many called socialist in nature.

    ✓ Obama's tax plan (whereby he’d raise taxes for the richest 5% and redistribute that income to the rest of the country) forms the basis of most claims against him as socialist.

    ✓ With the defining aspect of socialism as state ownership, control, or direction of the economy, Obama's rapid unprecedented growth of federal government, control of GM, banks, companies, and allegations of friendly state media (MSNBC, etc.) fit this mold.

    ✓ Obama's acts to seize federal control of quasi-private entities (student loan program and others) show a rapid growth of federal apparatus.

    ✓ Obama's pick as global warming czar, Carol M. Browner, was listed as one of 14 leaders of a socialist group's Commission for a Sustainable World Society.

    ✓ Obama's frequent reference in his books to his youth as a community organizer principles (link here to socialism is not a stretch) and, of course, after college Obama joined a church born of Marxism; the one that taught radical liberation theology and which was led by a Marxist pastor, Jeremiah Wright.

    But yet if you ask the noted Socialists you'll hear something along the lines as this, “Barack Obama's programs are not socialist!" But we have demonstrative examples of clear socialist actions. Moreover we have the word of Obama:

    THEN-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE BARACK OBAMA: "It's not that I want to punish your success; I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance at success, too. And I think, when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

    Spread the wealth around - the very definition of socialism. Certainly not capitalistic thinking. But then that brings up the most persuasive evidence. He's been in office 15 months. How much of that has Obama spent praising American exceptionalism? How much of that time has Obama spent praising America's small business? How much of that time has Obama spent making things easier for corporate America or small Mom & Pop businesses (the very heart of capitalism) to expand and hire more workers?

    While card-carrying Socialists may question whether Obama is one of them, card-carrying Capitalists have no problem at all making such assessment.
     
  17. bobertoq macrumors 6502a

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    Really?! :eek:

    In other news, the sky is blue.

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    lol ITN, not a single one of those proves that Obama is a socialist. Which policies of his, exactly, are socialist? What has he done that is socialist?
     
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    umm..Does that mean YOU are a socialist because you watch a "people's news program" like Fox ?
     
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    You clearly don't have the slightest idea of what the term socialism means.
     
  20. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    Herein, comedy gold.

    State media- LMAO.
     
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    "card-carrying Capitalists have no problem at all making such assessment."

    Oh. You mean the greedy money grubbing ******* that almost ruined the nations economy ?
     
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    Almost?
     
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    I have to say that Obama has failed as a socialist.
     
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    I was "trying" to be diplomatic.;)

    Had I been realistic..Well.You get the idea.:)
     
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    Say it isn't so, $arah, a socialist.
     

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