Columbia Student Will Carry Her Mattress Around as Long as Her Rapist Remains on Camp

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by steve knight, Sep 3, 2014.

  1. steve knight macrumors 68020

    steve knight

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2009
    #1
    this is just pathetic on Columbia University's part. lets hope she gets some justice before her back goes out.
    http://www.alternet.org/activism/co...attress-around-long-her-rapist-remains-campus

     
  2. bradl macrumors 68040

    bradl

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2008
    #2
  3. aaronvan Suspended

    aaronvan

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2011
    Location:
    República Cascadia
    #3
    This is her performance art thesis. I wonder how much her parents are paying for her tuition?

    The man in question is innocent until proven guilty. How quickly people forget that.
     
  4. Renzatic Suspended

    Renzatic

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2011
    Location:
    Gramps, what the hell am I paying you for?
    #4
    He's innocent until proven guilty, but that doesn't mean she's not allowed to walk around and protest what she sees as an injustice.
     
  5. steve knight thread starter macrumors 68020

    steve knight

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2009
    #5

    Hard to prove guilt or innocence when the whole thing was dismissed with no legal action at all.
     
  6. mobilehaathi macrumors G3

    mobilehaathi

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2008
    Location:
    The Anthropocene
    #6
    Objection: relevance.
     
  7. aaronvan, Sep 3, 2014
    Last edited: Sep 3, 2014

    aaronvan Suspended

    aaronvan

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2011
    Location:
    República Cascadia
    #7
    "Columbia dismissed all three of the women’s cases."

    She got a hearing. She just didn't get the result she wanted. Then, months later she went to the cops. Again, she didn't get the result she wanted. By then it was almost finals and she needed to get cracking on her thesis project. What better than bearing her mattress, Christ-like, all over campus? She'll probably make the dean's list.
     
  8. ucfgrad93 macrumors P6

    ucfgrad93

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2007
    Location:
    Colorado
    #8
    Despicable job by Columbia.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...owitz-columbia-rape-performance-art/15012777/
     
  9. steve knight thread starter macrumors 68020

    steve knight

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2009
    #9
    right they did it because of lack of evidence. I guess this quote had nothing to do with it.
     
  10. jkcerda macrumors 6502

    jkcerda

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2013
    Location:
    Criminal Mexi Midget
    #10
    rape is not an easy subject, with 3 different women all making the SAME claim on the SAME guy, why is he still around?
     
  11. Renzatic, Sep 3, 2014
    Last edited: Sep 3, 2014

    Renzatic Suspended

    Renzatic

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2011
    Location:
    Gramps, what the hell am I paying you for?
    #11
    To repeat myself:

    Derp. I get what you're saying now. Posting in here too often tends to make me kinda combative at times.
     
  12. skottichan macrumors 6502a

    skottichan

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2007
    Location:
    Columbus, OH
    #12
    Waiting for the "not all men" or "she didn't protect herself well enough" excuses.


    I agree that we need to remember "innocent until proven guilty", but we also live in a country where rape culture, especially at universities, remove the possibility of "proving guilt" by either flatly ignoring the problem, or covering it up.

    Kudos to Ms Sulkowicz.
     
  13. aaronvan Suspended

    aaronvan

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2011
    Location:
    República Cascadia
    #13
    Because in the eyes of the law we are all innocent until proven guilty. Ask any lawyer about rape cases like this, cases with no independent witnesses, no physical evidence, just he said/she said. In cases like this it is extremely difficult to determine what actually occurred.
     
  14. jkcerda macrumors 6502

    jkcerda

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2013
    Location:
    Criminal Mexi Midget
    #14
    not all men are the same, there, you wont have to wait any longer for that one :rolleyes:

    ----------

    where there is smoke there was fire, 3 different girls. where is a vigilante when you need one?
     
  15. steve knight thread starter macrumors 68020

    steve knight

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2009
    #15
    but it does happen but 7 months after the fact it is pretty hard. so why did they wait?
     
  16. jkcerda macrumors 6502

    jkcerda

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2013
    Location:
    Criminal Mexi Midget
    #16
    why did she report it to the school & not the police? police should have been first
     
  17. aaronvan Suspended

    aaronvan

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2011
    Location:
    República Cascadia
    #17
    When did the girls report the rape(s)? The article avoids answering that question. The hearing occurred seven months after their rape--and it could have occured the day after their report.
     
  18. bradl macrumors 68040

    bradl

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2008
    #18
    This is the untold story, I have to admit. However, if they reported it immediately after, then the university has some explaining to do as to why it took seven months to have a hearing about it. Everyone know that the most critical time after a rape occurs is up to 72 hours after. That is why they need to be investigated immediately.

    BL.
     
  19. Tomorrow macrumors 604

    Tomorrow

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2008
    Location:
    Always a day away
    #19
    Here's something to think about:

    Three women bring up to the university that this man allegedly raped them. The university found him not responsible all three times.

    The women subsequently went to the police. After an investigation, the police decided not to charge him.

    That's six different instances where he was accused, but not charged/indicted/punished.

    Now, you say "where there is smoke there was fire." Six allegations, six acquittals (of sorts). Based solely on that, one might conclude the "fire" in your analogy might really mean "innocence."
     
  20. jkcerda macrumors 6502

    jkcerda

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2013
    Location:
    Criminal Mexi Midget
    #20
    police most likely said what BradL suggested, well after 72 hours it will be hard to prove rape as everything gets washed out.
     
  21. steve knight thread starter macrumors 68020

    steve knight

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2009
    #21
    Or they just dismissed it because it will make them look bad. that has been happening so much that the president is getting involved. universities are notorious for not doing much of anything to help rape victims . so is this one of those cases? that's the question.
     
  22. thekev macrumors 604

    thekev

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2010
    #22
    That kind of cry for attention isn't usually a sign that someone is in a healthy mental state. There should have been an immediate investigation due to the time critical nature of that kind of crime, and she obviously needs counseling now, from a counselor who does not represent the interests of the university.

    It mentions that in the article

    Take the second quote with some skepticism. The author quoted Jezebel, which quoted a single line from the police without substantiation.

    I'm not sure what she expected that long after the fact. We should teach girls to protect themselves, and the university should encourage them to immediately to go the police. The biggest failure here is that the school doesn't seem to encourage that.
     
  23. Renzatic Suspended

    Renzatic

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2011
    Location:
    Gramps, what the hell am I paying you for?
    #23
    If they did a full investigation, or at least took it seriously, I'd be inclined to agree. But from the article, it seems like the university just wants to sweep any rape allegations under the rug, and the police dismissed her with lines such as "you invited him into your room, that's not rape".

    Granted, she waited far too long to report the rape, and after so much time, it'll boil down to a he said, she said affair. He would've had a better than decent chance of walking, even if he were guilty as sin, and the police/university threw their full weight behind the case.

    ...but it's like they didn't even try.
     
  24. jkcerda macrumors 6502

    jkcerda

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2013
    Location:
    Criminal Mexi Midget
    #24
    there are many "males" who sadly subscribe to the "some girls rape easy" mentality. :mad:
     
  25. shinji macrumors 65816

    shinji

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2007
    #25
    If she was raped, she deserves justice for it.

    But her tone in these articles sounds like she's upset they didn't automatically believe her. She admits to having had consensual sex twice with this guy prior to the incident, and she also admits that in this particular incident, it began consensually. Her claim is that he began strangling her after she consented to sex and then forced himself on her. She waited a year and a half, and the police were dismissive, as was Columbia.

    Do you have access to some information proving his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt?
     

Share This Page