Columbia University self proclaimed "rape victim" Emma Sulkowicz releases sex video

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It certainly seems a very strange thing to do. I'd say that for everyone, but especially for her, given the scrutiny she's facing. However, what a lot of people don't realize (based on reading over the comments in the first link) is that rape changes people's perceptions on sex and their bodies. I'd guess that everyone on this website will react to this video with puzzlement and potentially some level of horror, but then I'd also imagine that the majority (or hopefully) all of us have never been through the trauma of rape.

Then again, an act like this would also fit with someone who is simply trying to make headlines, which is what she was accused of initially.

I don't see the video as proof of rape (nor proof of headline-seeking), but it could certainly fit. I don't think it proves or disproves anything one way or another.
 

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The OP perhaps?
Ad hominem insult? :confused:
Why do you you think I have gone of the deep end?

The woman in this story tried to press charges both legally, as well as through the university.
In both cases and even after massive media coverage, it was not found by any investigation that she was ever raped by anyone. The german student she falsely accuse is now sueing columbia university for compensation by letting her pull of those shenanigans uninhibitet. I hope he becomes a millionaire in the process.

And now she shoots and then publishes a violent porn-rape movie with a obese man ... Loss of words anyone? :eek:
 
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Ad hominem insult? :confused:
Why do you you think I have gone of the deep end.

The woman in this story tried to press charges both legally, as well as through the university.
In both cases and even after massive media coverage, it was not found by any investigation that she was ever raped by anyone. The german student she falsely accuse is now sueing columbia university for compensation by letting her pull of those shenanigans uninhibitet. I hope he becomes a millionaire in the process.
Her actions also makes it harder for real sexual victims to go to the actual authorities! She is one of the new breed of ignoant social justice warriors. :mad:
 

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She is one of the new breed of ignoant social justice warriors. :mad:
No. As it appears from her actions she is a crazy bitch. Crazy in the sense of psychologically ill. She needs to live in a place where she cannot cause further harm to anyone. Like a room with white walls and colorful pills.
 

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And now she shoots and then publishes a violent porn-rape movie with a obese man ... Loss of words anyone? :eek:
Well, the guy isn't obese... at least, not by American standards ;)

It makes sense, actually. Some methods of overcoming trauma involve recreating the situation but giving the victim control over it. They re-experience it, but with a different outcome. So here, she had a sexual encounter that turned violent at some points, but she was in control the entire time. She was the one directing what happened from start to finish, and it was all recorded (from multiple angles, even) so that nobody could question anything about what had gone on. Put another way, it's "undoing" her previous experience.

The questionable part dealt with publishing it (possibly more efforts at "undoing"?), and further, labeling it as art. I'm very curious to know how she was expecting people to respond to it. If she said that it was a form of therapy for her then I think she'd still be met with derision, but it would be more understandable.
 
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Well, the guy isn't obese... at least, not by American standards ;)

It makes sense, actually. Some methods of overcoming trauma involve recreating the situation but giving the victim control over it. They re-experience it, but with a different outcome. So here, she had a sexual encounter that turned violent at some points, but she was in control the entire time. She was the one directing what happened from start to finish, and it was all recorded (from multiple angles, even) so that nobody could question anything about what had gone on. Put another way, it's "undoing" her previous experience.

The questionable part dealt with publishing it (possibly more efforts at "undoing"?), and further, labeling it as art. I'm very curious to know how she was expecting people to respond to it. If she said that it was a form of therapy for her then I think she'd still be met with derision, but it would be more understandable.
This would make sense if she was actually raped, but if you read up on the circumstances of her story, it becomes abundantly clear that she wasn't. I honestly think this person is just nuts. She needs help!
 

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Ad hominem insult? :confused:
No more than that directed at the subject of the thread.

The woman in this story tried to press charges both legally, as well as through the university.
In both cases and even after massive media coverage, it was not found by any investigation that she was ever raped by anyone.
That does not mean it didn't happen - only that it could not be proven to the point of taking legal or disciplinary action.
The german student she falsely accuse is now sueing columbia university for compensation by letting her pull of those shenanigans uninhibitet. I hope he becomes a millionaire in the process.
The german student is free to sue her for libel, though he'll likely have the same problems meeting a legal threshold of proof. As to suing Colombia, I think he has a misunderstanding of the 1st Amendment. Exactly how are they supposed to silence her or abridge her right to express herself?

And now she shoots and then publishes a violent porn-rape movie with a obese man ... Loss of words anyone? :eek:
Hey, not my thing, but not my place to say she can't or shouldn't.
 

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That does not mean it didn't happen - only that it could not be proven to the point of taking legal or disciplinary action.
Actually this story has been discussed at nauseum and it's pretty much beyond reasonable doubt that it didn't happen.
 

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The german student is free to sue her for libel, though he'll likely have the same problems meeting a legal threshold of proof. As to suing Colombia, I think he has a misunderstanding of the 1st Amendment. Exactly how are they supposed to silence her or abridge her right to express herself?
It's called criminal defamation: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_defamation_law#Criminal_defamation

Columbia university was aiding her in a crime and he can file civil, as well as criminal charges.
 
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It's called criminal defamation: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_defamation_law#Criminal_defamation

Columbia university was aiding her in a crime and he can file civil, as well as criminal charges.
Has she been convicted of criminal defamation? You say the proof is "beyond a reasonable doubt" so where's the conviction? Until then, there is no "crime" for Columbia to be allegedly involved with. Clearly the legal investigators who truly have all the facts don't think the facts are "beyond a reasonable doubt."

...adding, a university properly investigating serious allegations involving its students is not the same as aiding in a crime.
 
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Has she been convicted of criminal defamation? You say the proof is "beyond a reasonable doubt" so where's the conviction? Until then, there is no "crime" for Columbia to be allegedly involved with. Clearly the legal investigators who truly have all the facts don't think the facts are "beyond a reasonable doubt."
There were no investigators because the accused hasn't filed criminal charges yet. So far he is only sueing for damages.

...adding, a university properly investigating serious allegations involving its students is not the same as aiding in a crime.
The university accepted her performance as a thesis.
A performance consisting of carrying around a mattress all the time and claiming that she was butt raped on it by a fellow student, even though it is pretty obvious that no such thing happened and the accused was cleared, despite her and two of her girlfriends trying to defame him.
 

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That does not mean it didn't happen - only that it could not be proven to the point of taking legal or disciplinary action.
So the accused is guilty until proven innocent?

If there wasn't enough evidence to take legal or disciplinary action (which probably has a much lower threshold than legal proceedings) then it didn't happen in my opinion.
 

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There were no investigators because the accused hasn't filed criminal charges yet. So far he is only sueing for damages.

The university accepted her performance as a thesis.
A performance consisting of carrying around a mattress all the time and claiming that she was butt raped on it by a fellow student, even though it is pretty obvious that no such thing happened and the accused was cleared, despite her and two of her girlfriends trying to defame him.
Accepting does not equal endorsing. The university accepts all sorts of thesis, some that contradict others. That's the whole point of academic freedom.
 

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Well what can you do about, she's perfectly entitled to claim that she's been raped, if she thinks she's been raped (but from the information surrounding her claims etc, her story seems very doubtful), and she's perfectly entitled to put videos of herself having sex on the internet if she wants. You can't ever stop someone doing either of those in all honesty.

It sounds like some parents, or very good friends maybe encourage her to see a psychologist or something to be honest.
 

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So the accused is guilty until proven innocent?
Where did I say that?

If there wasn't enough evidence to take legal or disciplinary action (which probably has a much lower threshold than legal proceedings) then it didn't happen in my opinion.
Only two people in the world know to a moral certainty what happened - the accuser and the accused. One of them is lying. Everyone can have an opinion but the bottom line you and I and everyone else don't know whether it did or didn't happen.
 
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Has she been convicted of criminal defamation? You say the proof is "beyond a reasonable doubt" so where's the conviction? Until then, there is no "crime" for Columbia to be allegedly involved with. Clearly the legal investigators who truly have all the facts don't think the facts are "beyond a reasonable doubt."

...adding, a university properly investigating serious allegations involving its students is not the same as aiding in a crime.
It would be quite difficult to prosecute defamation charges given the taboo nature of the subject. That said there may not have been evidence to support a rape accusation though. They would need to visit the police immediately to have a high chance of prosecution due to the nature of physical evidence involved here. Beyond that you have an angry mob and no verifiable evidence. What do you really expect them to do?
 

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It would be quite difficult to prosecute defamation charges given the taboo nature of the subject. That said there may not have been evidence to support a rape accusation though. They would need to visit the police immediately to have a high chance of prosecution due to the nature of physical evidence involved here. Beyond that you have an angry mob and no verifiable evidence. What do you really expect them to do?
Precisely. The inability to prove a crime goes both ways. I was simply rebutting the contention that the university was complicit in an unproven defamation crime.
 

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Precisely. The inability to prove a crime goes both ways. I was simply rebutting the contention that the university was complicit in an unproven defamation crime.
Didn't appear that way ...
The OP perhaps?
I guess the moral here is that rape victims should hide themselves in shame and closet their sexuality so as not to upset our precious, delicate feelings.
 

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So the accused is guilty until proven innocent?

If there wasn't enough evidence to take legal or disciplinary action (which probably has a much lower threshold than legal proceedings) then it didn't happen in my opinion.
Wonder how Robison would feel if accused of rape. Doesn't matter if it didn't happen. Let's just show it all over the Internet. It cool. It didn't happen.