Columbus Day: ‘How is this still a thing?’

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  1. bradl macrumors 68040

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    Split off from another thread:

    WashPo and Indian Country Media posted a couple of good articles about the upcoming 'holiday'.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...10/08/columbus-day-how-is-this-still-a-thing/

    Further, from ICTMN, someone wondered why every other country in the world ignores Columbus:

    https://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2014/10/08/do-other-countries-celebrate-columbus-day
    So with all due respect to Berkeley, Minneapolis, South Dakota, and Seattle, Why do we still even have a Columbus Day? He wasn't the first one here, and his actions while here were as deplorable as Milosevic, Mladic, and Hutu. So why are we still even celebrating this?

    BL.
     
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    Because people want to believe in the myths their teachers taught them in school.
     
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    Because the mental disorder known as liberalism hasn't infected the entire nation. Not yet.
     
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    It's a huge coincidence that you posted this thread on Leif Erikson Day.

    Mental disorder know as liberalism? :rolleyes:

    Funny, some people would describe you fringe right wing extremists as the ones with a mental disorder. We just don't go around pointing it out all the time. The very definition of liberalism is by default a superior ideology over conservativism.
     

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    Liberalism? Elaborate, especially seeing that it was a conservative religious group that wanted a Catholic hero honored.

    And if liberalism is wanting to do away with a holiday named after someone who took slaves, mutilated and executed a different race, and plundered their riches, then let liberalism ring.

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    I'm a r-w extremist? Funny.
     
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    We can get rid of Columbus day only if we replace it with Super Bowl Sunday as an official holiday.
     
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    Waiting for the condemnations of President's Day and the 4th of July.

    (The is a good thread. I predict it gets 100+ replies.)
     
  9. MacNut macrumors Core

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    What are you going on about? Fireworks and car deals?
     
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    Holidays held in honor of slaveholders and celebrations of a nation built by slavery.
     
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    Time to go back to History class.
     
  12. samiwas macrumors 65816

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    Really? I mean, I knew 16-year-old frequented the iPhone forum...didn't realize they hung around PRSI as well.
     
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    Lets just blame it on the iPhone auto correct.
     
  14. bradl thread starter macrumors 68040

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    President's Day is a combination of Lincoln's and Washington's birthdays. Washington emancipated his slaves, and was the only one out of the Founding Fathers to do so; Lincoln freed the slaves.

    A history refresher course is in order for you.

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    Because it's towards the beginning of October when the weather is nice.
     
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    On a side note, happy leif erikson day! he's the viking who discovered north america
     
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    I think "Columbus Day" has really come to celebrate all of the explorers and settlers, adventurers, Pilgrims, Missionaries, soldiers, priests, villains and heroes, immigrants and refugees who made up the early settlement of the present-day United States by people from western Europe.

    There were literally so many different people that honoring each of them would be all but impossible. So we settled (perhaps without really thinking it through, or knowing the whole story) on Columbus. Who was conveniently both Italian and Spanish.

    We celebrate July 4th to recognize the political founding of our country. I think we celebrate "Columbus" day to celebrate a historical process which set us down the path where there was a nation to be founded.

    I'll grant you Columbus the man wasn't much of a navigator, seaman, administrator, or humanitarian. But that somewhat misses the point.
     
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    Let's review why Columbus is considered an important figure worthy of a holiday.

    1. He figured out the world was round. Nope, that was actually discovered by some fairly clever Greeks.

    2. He found the New World. Nope, he was 500 years after Leif Erikson. And, of course, we won't talk about the semantics in discovering a place were people are already living.

    3. He's a Catholic figure. Yep, probably Catholic.

    On the other hand, he ran his own colony into the ground, slaughtered thousands in a largely futile search for gold, and basically started the western slave trade.

    Columbus hardly compares to George Washington, an important general and the first president of the United States, or Abraham Lincoln, who kept the Union together and wrote the Emancipation Proclamation.

    So why does Columbus—a foreign greed-head who actually didn't achieve any of his aims—have his own holiday?
     
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    so italians not celebrating Columbus is somehow an argument ?
    I've got further news for them: they aren't celebrating 4th of july either.

    Italians celebrate on the 2nd of June: the day they voted for the republic.


    Apart of the america colonizing countries like the UK,Spain,Portugal and France and the decendants of the settlers who moved there i don't see a point of celebrating it
     
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    You mean making the Monday after Super Bowl a holiday.
     
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    Who cares why it's still a thing? The important thing here is that Monday is a paid holiday. :D Something we don't have nearly enough of in this country.
     
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    And what about between the years of 1781 (the end of the colonists' little temper tantrum) and 1789 (Washington's inauguration)? Hint: the first U.S. president was John Hanson.
     
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    His voyage was an incredibly important event in world history. It doesn't matter where he landed or whether he was first; no other explorer's journey had the impact on further exploration of New World that Columbus' did.

    Diminishing the significance of his discovery because he wasn't a great guy is idiotic, and the idea that one cannot celebrate the event that kickstarted a wave of exploration that led to the country we have today without also celebrating every immoral action he took is a ridiculous false dichotomy.

    I'm convinced that some people have made it their mission in life to be deliberately offended by everything so they can smugly set others straight. Whether it's because they want attention or because they want to feel better, I don't know, but it's annoying.
     
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    Better get used to it, there's a lot of that in this particular forum. :rolleyes:
     

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