Communism Fail

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by supercaliber, Sep 13, 2010.

  1. supercaliber macrumors regular

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    I get the altruistic ideals of communism and in a large regard socialism. Sadly, humans are not ants, we do not work as hard for others as we do for our own selfish interests.

    Castro has waffled on his view of his own country's success or failure, and recently bashed on capitalism, declaring the recent developments in the USA as proof capitalism doesn't work (laughable btw)

    But then you simply have to read this little gem to realize what a farce a state run system actually becomes. Cuba runs 90% of the Cuban economy?? What a joke.

    They even admit that they have to stop funding bloated payrolls at an average wage of $20 a month!!! no less!!!

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/09/13/cuba.economy/index.html?hpt=T1

    I get it you socialist lovers, we are all about the betterment of our planet and the improvement of everyone's well being, however, you have to get there with a healthy dose of greed and self-interest or you will fall on your sword every time.
     
  2. BoyBach macrumors 68040

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    You could just as easily start a thread "Capitalism Fail" or "Liberalism Fail" or "Conservatism Fail" or "Any-political-theory Fail". All political ideologies have their successes and failures, pros and cons. C'est la vie.
     
  3. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    I suspect that a tincy wincy bit of Cuba's current economic predicament has to do with the trade embargo and travel ban enacted on them by their giant northern neighbour. And don't forget their giant northern neighbour also happens to be the world's largest economy.

    And lets not forget that communists in countries which don't have a trade embargo on them from their giant northern neighbour have some of the worlds highest economic growth rates.

    Just sayin'.
     
  4. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    Out of curiosity, how much has "communism" and the Castro regime failed, versus how much are their failures to blame for conservative efforts to interfere with the free market? (i.e. our interference in trade, embargos, etc...)

    (edit) Where we have either not interferred or not been successful in interferring, communism seems to be going strong. China, parts of India, Vietnam, N. Korea, etc...
     
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    Why might that be? Because their system is a failure, or because of worldwide embargos, an ongoing war, and a fool of a ruler?
     
  7. Burnsey macrumors 6502a

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    Who here is a "socialist lover"? The problem with Capitalism is when stuff like food and healthcare are used to make a lot of money. It's when people make money off of sick people, or making people sick, or by simply robbing people through bailouts. Otherwise it's fine. There is nothing wrong with a government that wants to regulate these areas to ensure our health, well being and tax dollars are not put at risk by those who are mainly concerned about their own self interests. Nor is there anything wrong with a government that sets minimum safety standards for products like electronics, cars, food, toys etc... so that we don't get lead poisoned or killed in a fiery explosion because Ford poorly designed a fuel tank. This is NOT socialism, or communism.

    A 100% free market where everyone did or sold whatever they wanted would be disastrous. We have laws and regulations in society, we need laws and regulations in business, but only to ensure the activities of businesses do not negatively impact our health and safety. If your greed and self interests aren't going to put me or my family at risk, go nuts.

    The only people who oppose the above and see it as "socialism" are those whose bottom lines are directly impacted by the policies. Insurance companies who can no longer deny people coverage when they get sick. Credit card companies who can no longer make money by hiking up interest rates without notice, oil companies who will now have to invest in containment and safety measures to ensure massive oil spills are not caused in their pursuit of profits, car companies who have to invest additional resources to implement better crumple zones and meet emissions standards, and toy companies who have to invest into ensuring their products are not tainted with lead paint etc... People who have to make additional investments (that hurt the bottom line) so that we don't get hurt, sick or robbed by them or their products.
     
  8. Sdashiki macrumors 68040

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    You dont start a topic like this just because, you do it because of who you are and what you think you can accomplish.

    Its sick really. "Socialist lover"...would make sense if someone had said it before you...but being the OP you beat someone to the punch. Feel good about that? IDGI...pointless banter it is.


    This is a pointless topic with nothing but a single rant and a single article not written by the OP.

    Might as well just start your own blog, because SC...you're becoming obvious in all your intentions every time you type.
     
  9. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    How is it that those on the right want to prosecute people for abortion, but it's ok to let people who have been born die of starvation, disease and poverty?

    Why aren't the wealthy being charged with murder (like the abortion providers they want to charge) due to their failures to do something about it?

    (edit) Obviously, that's an overstatement, and it's only meant to get y'all to think. I'm not serious.
     
  10. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Our social nature is just as much a factor in our species success as that of ants and bees.

    Sounds to me like the OP is standing on the shoulders of others, enjoying the view and feeling awfully proud for having climbed up there all by himself. :rolleyes:
     
  11. Shivetya macrumors 65816

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    The problem with Communism and Capitalism is the same, some people are more equal than others, those being the ones in government and government sanctioned businesses for which they write laws to benefit.
     
  12. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Probably the latter.

    Except that under communism people have relatively high life expectancy, literacy and economic growth.
     
  13. BoyBach macrumors 68040

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    supercaliber, using your logic, do the imminent spending cuts and resultant job losses in the UK not represent a 'Capitalism Fail'?
     
  14. djellison macrumors 68020

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    Communism, as with any extremist socio-economic ethos, is bound to fail. Capitalism fails. Communism fails.

    The only place that doesn't fail is the middle ground. The compromise. The little bit of column A and a little bit of Column B.
     
  15. BoyBach macrumors 68040

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    Stop being all resonable, it's unbecoming. PRSI etiquette deems that you pick your team and bash the other side! ;)
     
  16. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    And the whole banking crisis.
     
  17. .Andy macrumors 68030

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    I don't think anyone here who thinks that a capitalist society should be tempered with socialist initiatives (such as UHC) is actually advocating communism. Perhaps you could point out who these people are you are referring to :confused:?
     
  18. Macky-Mac macrumors 68030

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    everyone knows those aren't "real" communists :rolleyes:


    Anyway, Cuba which has a population of less than 12 million is cutting 1 million jobs according to the BBC (as opposed to the half million CNN mentions?)?

    ouch! I wonder if, with Venezuela's elections just weeks away, Hugo Chavez wishes that Cuba had waited just a little longer to announce this?
     
  19. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Those on the extreme right think that we are just as irrational as they are. No one here is some sort of "socialist lover". How silly.
     
  20. .Andy macrumors 68030

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    It seems to be a terrible discussion technique that is becoming quite pervasive. It's pretty much a strawman argument designed to bait and nothing more. It's certainly not going to achieve any meaningful discussion.
     
  21. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    What kind of country can thrive under the thumb of the USA when we don't want them to? /rhetorical

    There are bigger reasons why Cuba has problems, and many of them are because of our own oppression of the country. The same applies for dozens of other countries around the world, Haiti for example.
     
  22. Macky-Mac macrumors 68030

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    it's part of the current political situation.......it's the year of the angry voter....and when you're angry, that seems to mean you can announce as "truth" anything you want.......no matter how absurd it is.
     
  23. supercaliber thread starter macrumors regular

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    The difference here is that Cuba is laying off 20% of their government staffed workforce in a year.

    Wow.

    USA complains about 8% unemployment.

    I am on board with a little balance. However, there is massive angst against capitalism on this board, you cannot kill it, or everything else dies.

    Its like fuel in a nuclear reactor, if you don't keep it cool it explodes out of control. However, if you don't have the fuel you don't get any energy.

    When capitalism goes bad, we shouldn't blame capitalism, capitalism should be revered. Blame the engineers in charge of the reaction.
     
  24. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    What's China's unemployment rate? What's Vietnam's? What's Kerela's?

    EDIT: According to this weeks Economist China's rate for 2009 was 9.6% - the same as the US this August.

    Its far more interesting to talk about the economic success of countries with aren't under a trade embargo from the world's largest economy.

    Can you point out the relevant posts?
     
  25. Queso macrumors G4

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    The USA, and most of the Western World, does not currently practice traditional capitalism. Nor has it for some time. Somewhere along the line somebody decided to replace it with something far more extreme and far more divisive.

    And if you think for one second that the result isn't going to be a massive rich/poor divide and a huge increase in civil unrest, ask yourself why these defence companies are putting so much money into riot control devices. They know where the puck is heading.
     

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