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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Thomas Veil, Mar 30, 2011.
That takes a lot of balls, doesn't it?
huh? 174k really doesn't go very far in DC (or NYC or Boston or other major metropolitan areas). I can't imagine raising 6 kids in DC on only $174k. No wonder he drives an old minivan. FWIW, I live in DC. My small 2br home (under 1100 sq/ft!) was ~$700k. My wife and I both walk to work, and we choose not to own a car, because it's too expensive (parking is $250 per space per month at the near-by garage).
I must have missed the part, where someone held a gun to this rube's head, and forced him to run for office.
No one said his mini-van was old, just used.
Hell, we all drive used vehicles, right. Even Merc owners.
Oh please. I'm sure his family is back home in Bum****, WI. and his job as Congressman pays him way more than he made as a local DA.
Ok, so lets make that assumption. Where does he stay then while he's in DC? A small 1br apt in a nice neighborhood runs $2600+ per month, plus parking of course. A furnished corporate apt is more like $3500/mo. After paying his mortgage back home, school loan payments, and paying for his SIX kids, this guy does not have much in the way of disposable income. If you think otherwise, well, try using your calculator.
Very concise argument! Brilliant! I know numbers are scary and weird, but I promise, that calculator won't bite if you try and use it. But then again, I know Liberals find it very offensive when anybody (except Hollywood Celebrities of course) makes an above average salary, am I right Comrade?
remember they have to maintain 2 homes.
But that part that is BS is what about all the other federal workers who do not get paid during a shut down? Oh wait they do not matter because it does not directly effect the congress pay checks directly.
btw you link is screwed up and just a new replay. Please provide a link to the original article
I love how you jump to conclusions. I'm not a liberal and my earnings are way above average. I don't begrudge him making money. All I'm saying is his cries of poverty are BS, he makes almost double what he did last year.
yes... in a different job, with only one home, and no travel.
Where do you get "cries of poverty" from? He wasn't complaining, nor was he asking for a raise. Read the bold quote again. He was speaking to his constituents, justifying his salary, and saying exactly the same thing I am - that $174k is not an outlandish or excessive salary for a person in his position.
His travel expenses can be paid out of the $1.3 million a year he gets to run his office. And I happen to think that $174,000 is awesome for a part time job.
but I have to ask what about the rest of the federal works WHO DO NOT GET PAID if the government shuts down.
Why should congress be any different?
They clearly can not agree on anything. They are the highest paid legislators in the world. Why should they be paid during this time.
When you think he's a liberal you give him a nasty response, but when he says he's not a liberal you give his same post a normal response.
Fair enough points. They also get full retirement benefits including pension plan and health care after serving just 5 years. But what do you expect from a group who can legislate their own salary increases? lol. I still say $174k is not a lot if that's his only source of income.
huh? did I bend your hurty feelers with my "nasty" response? lol. there's a difference between nasty and snarky. i like to think my posts are the latter, as I didn't insult him or anyone else. and i'm an equal opportunity snarkist, so don't think i'll go easy on you just because of who you voted for.
You're funny. Transparent, but funny.
In 21 months from now, after they are re-elected.
Really, though, I did a quick scan of the general area and found some apparently decent looking apartments for sub-$1500 (Arlington, Alexandria, Bethesda, Reston, Laurel, etc.). If these people are so avid about cutting spending, they need to show that they themselves can figure out how to economize. I would just as soon they were forced to live in Anacostia until it is cleaned up (the neighborhood, or Congress, maybe both).
Pfft come and live in London. That is cheap.
Sorry about that; fixed now.
BTW, I don't know what to make of dime21. He thinks calling a liberal "Comrade" and making those other cracks is merely snarky; he feels $174,000 ain't a lot of money to live on; and he uses the paragraphs I bolded to try to prove the opposite point. How do you talk to someone who perceives things that way?
As for Duffy, Rodimus pretty much made my comment for me. Every other federal employee would be out of luck, and so should Duffy. In fact, if anything that should be sufficient motivation for Duffy and his GOP colleagues to seek a compromise. As long as Duffy thinks his income is safe, he doesn't need to care about anybody else.
I'm sorry if it stings a little to find out that the extreme-left views in this forum are actually way way outside the mainstream. Reading this forum is interesting to me, to say the least... the bizarre and outlandish points of view, with repetitive commentary by the same dozen or so people. I imagine it's a bit like a sane person walking to an asylum and listening to some conversations between the inmates.
My sister and her husband share a nice 1 bedroom apartment in the heart of DC that's closer to $1,500 a month. It's a bit more reasonable and affordable for someone making $170k. He can take the Metro everywhere (much like my sister and her husband do) which is probably around $100 bucks a month. Or is public transportation too socialist for him? The other 434 members of Congress seem to do it without a problem, I don't know why he can't.
If he's still so hard up for cash, then there's always the option of having a roommate. I'm sure he can find another congressman to split rent and utilities with. Or, given how little time congressmen spend in DC anyways, why not opt for a hotel? I've stayed in some very nice hotels just outside of DC in Arlington for well under $150/night. A short walk to the Metro and he'll be at work in 30 minutes. Sign up for the hotel rewards program and he'll be racking up points (which lead to free nights) in no time. It's probably cheaper than an apartment plus utilities.
On second thought, I've decided to revisit your reply, to dissect it a bit, like that poor frog in 10th grade science class. Lets start here:
Yes, yes I do. It was a snarky and playful bit of prose. Nothing more. I didn't mean to insult anyone, and if I did, I apologize. Do I really need to wade through the forums here and quote some of the insulting, mean-spirited, borderline hate-speech comments made here about republicans? or catholics? because it won't take more than a few seconds to dig some of those up. In fact, it's tough to find a thread without some of those juicy nuggets. But I'll be more than happy to do so, if like Clinton under oath, you "do not recall" those things.
Edit: I was bored, so here's a few from your own mouth Thomas. It is pure, un-filtered hypocrisy that the same person who wrote these three quotes, would gasp and take exception at someone using the word "Comrade".
Now here we have a case of a falsely attributed quote. I never said those words, nor anything remotely similar. But rather than quote what I did say, you chose to fabricate something silly and false and use that instead. Re-read what I wrote. In case you need further clarification, my stance on a $174k salary is absolutely not that "it ain't a lot of money to live on". It's a comfortable sum, for sure, but it is not excessive, it is not outlandish, and it certainly doesn't make him "wealthy" or "rich". It's a very average middle-management salary. One could take a salary survey at any of the thousands of office buildings here in the DC area, and you'll find that $174k is about right for lower management or some middle management. I know that my boss (a lower people manager) at my own job, who I report to, makes $240k a year. What do you think his boss makes? Or the Director above him? Or the Chief above him? BTW my boss is a government employee, as are those above him. $174k is very reasonable for a Representative's salary. I suppose we'll have to "agree to disagree" on this one.
What exactly was your point? Whatever it was, you didn't make that clear by simply reposting a news article and bolding one paragraph. I assume you took exception to the bolded paragraph, my response to which I've already outlined for you above.
So there you go, how do you talk to someone who perceives things from a rational and realistic point of view? I'm guessing you don't have much experience with that if you spend most of your time in here.
I don't think its outlandish (though this isn't even the point of the conversation), I'm just wondering what justifies him receiving that paycheck in the event of a shutdown while the hundreds of thousands of other government workers get shafted.
Do you expect pay when you don't do your job?
Nothing justifies it. None of those bums should get paid if there's a shut down. I wouldn't expect to be paid if I don't do my job, and neither should they. Yes, these new guys like Duffy will face financial hardship... but so will countless other gov't employees without a paycheck.
As for congress approving their own salary shutdown, you and I both know that would never happen, no matter who is in office. One approving and the other not approving, it's all just political posturing. Have they ever voted on and approved their own salary shutdown in the past? I don't know, but I'd be shocked if they did.
As for the point of the conversation, I beg to differ. The OP's "they need the money" comment, and the bolding of the salary information clearly shows the direction he intended for this thread.
What? "Clinton"? My goodness, your grasp of history seems weak, highly selective or just plain inverted.