Couple gets prison time for Internet obscenity

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  1. XnavxeMiyyep macrumors 65816

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    I don't think that's very fair. It sounds like these were some sort of super hardcore rape fantasy things or something like that. Most places have obscenity laws.

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  3. XnavxeMiyyep thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Right, I'm aware that most places have obscenity laws, and I think they're completely unconstitutional.

    There's nothing to obscenity laws, but "I'll know it when I see it" and they are a clear violation of free speech in the first place. No one was harmed in the making of these films. There are plenty of people who engage in rape fantasies on their own, but suddenly if it's on tape they go to jail?
     
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    It's a tricky one. On the one hand there's free speech, on the other there's presenting rape as erotic entertainment. Where to draw the line...glad I don't have to make that call.

    I just don't think this particular incident is the best argument to use in support of free speech.
     
  5. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    "These prison sentences affirm the need to continue to protect the public from obscene, lewd, lascivious or filthy material, the production of which degrades all of us."

    Give me a friggin' break.
     
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    And murder as entertainment is fine?

    One of the whole purposes of free speech is that I can choose what I find to be entertainment. Just because it offends some people doesn't mean others who enjoy something should be arrested for producing "offensive" entertainment.

    No one's right were infringed (until they were sentenced to prison).

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    Apparently, the prosecutor is Mary Beth Buchanan, the same prosecutor who went after Tommy Chong for having a bong and who charged Karen Fletcher with WRITING obscene stories on the web.
     
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    Bloody ridiculous, I hate these laws again "consensual crimes" that seem to be based on a person's morals rather than what law should be based on(rights).

    I just love that line about protecting people, some of us don't want this protection you freaking prudes! Some of us just want to sit down with a dirty dirty porno and feel the need to take a shower afterwards. Such should be our right.
     
  8. opinioncircle macrumors 6502a

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    agreed. But showing guns, blood, and mocking war crimes on TV or in the movies? Well that's aight...(/sarcasm)
     
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    Well yeah, there's nothing more American than blowing the **** out of people.
     
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    As long as you aren't blowing them!
     
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    Does this mean they're gonna go after the people that made two girls and a cup? Now that made me queasy.

    EDIT: The company was based in CA, but the case was in Pennsylvania and they were accused of violating state law. Shouldn't the people that bought the videos be charged since they were the ones that actually purchased (perhaps watched) the videos in Pennsylvania. I could understand the mailing to PA, they as a company shouldn't mail to there if it breaks state laws, but over the internet would be harder to control.
     
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    While I agree with you that America puts less censorship on violence than it does sex and nudity, a lot of straight up cold blooded murder don't get by with an R rating either. But for the record, I do agree the focus on sexuality as worse than extreme violence is odd.

    With that said, I can see room for aspects of censorship, such as in this case. I see a difference between a movie like Kill Bill where the violence is so over the top that no one would attempt to copy it. However, with films glorifying rape (a crime that is already committed too much), I agree that it is better for society as a whole to get rid of them even when it impedes on (important) first amendment rights.

    I'm with edesignuk - I'm just glad it isn't my job to have to try and make those tricky calls.

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  13. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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    What about make-believe violence that isn't "so over the top that no one would attempt to copy it"? I'd say most violence you see on TV and movies would fall into that category but even then the number of copycat crimes is low. And what about real violence sold as entertainment such as boxing and MMA? These are two people actually beating the crap out of each other and if you took the fight out of the ring what they are doing becomes a crime. Finding something offensive shouldn't be grounds for making it illegal.


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    I'm in the "this is ridiculous" party. While I find the type of porn they did offensive I can acknowledge that it isn't my place, and certainly not the government's place, to "protect" me from it.
     
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    "These prison sentences affirm the need to continue to protect the public from obscene, lewd, lascivious or filthy material, the production of which degrades all of us."

    Right on. The same should be done with low quality movies, music, pictures and advertisements. They all degrade humanity as well.
     
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    If angry video games don't make you kill people, then angry porn can't make you go rape people. As long as it's not accessible to kids, I don't care as I'm not being forced to watch.
     
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    Like I said, I'm just glad it's not my decision to make on what should be allowed and what shouldn't be.

    As for the example of boxing and MMA, I feel that just goes further to cement my point. I know of countless underground fight clubs that have started up at my school because of MMA. While that is probably grounds for another discussion (MMA starts getting really harmful when it isn't officiated like it isn't in underground fights - measures should be made to help people do it properly), I can easily see how glorified simulated rape can lead to more actual cases.

    Out of curiosity, are there any studies that have been done on a possible link between hardcore porn and rape cases? I'm just interested if anyone knows of any.

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    And some kids break their arms trying to fly like Superman but the solution is not to ban Superman. The movie "The Program" was edited because some stupid kids got killed reenacting a scene from the movie where people laid down on a busy highway. Sorry, but that's a Darwin Award right there not filmmakers being irresponsible. Should "101 Dalmatians" be banned because every time the movie is released there is a spike in Dalmatian sales and a few months later a spike in Dalmatians showing up at Humane Society? Should "Fight Club" or "A Clockwork Orange" be banned because of a handful of people copycating those films? How many billions of people enjoy entertainment like this and *don't* do stupid copycat stuff? Hell, some people will copycat crimes they see on the news, is the solution to further sanitize what gets reported?

    There are stupid people on this Earth that will do stupid things no matter what. There are violent people on this Earth that will do violent things no matter what. We can't try and sanitize anything and everything that might possibly give a stupid or violent person something to copycat. Are there people that are a lil' screwed up in the head and have problems telling the difference between fantasy and reality? Yes. Does that mean we should ban role-playing games 'cause some kid butchered his parents because he thought they were trolls in a dungeon guarding a pile of gold? No. The problem wasn't D&D the problem was the kid.

    Pretty much every study I've read about media's influence on people (be it video games, books, movies/tv shows, music, etc.,) is that people who are predisposed to certain behavior, violence for example, are more likely to be attracted to violent forms of media and to act on violent impulses (nothing really ground breaking there). There's nothing to prove that 'normal' people are changed into violent creatures just because they play GTA or watch bondage porn. If a kid literally grows up surround by nothing but violent influences w/o adult guidance about right and wrong will that kid be screwed up? Most likely yeah. But that's not the fault of the games, books, movies, news stories, etc., that the kid grew up with that's the fault of the parents for raising their child to be a pyscho.


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