court strikes blow against ObamaCare subsidies

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Federal appeals court strikes blow against ObamaCare subsidies

A federal appeals court on Tuesday struck down one of the pillars of ObamaCare, ruling that the law’s premium subsidies are invalid in more than two-dozen states.

The D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals said in a 2-1 decision that the Affordable Care Act (ACA) does not permit the IRS to distribute premium subsidies in the federal ObamaCare exchange, meaning those consumers must bear the full cost of their insurance.

"Because we conclude that the ACA unambiguously restricts the section 36B subsidy to insurance purchased on Exchanges 'established by the State,' we reverse the district court and vacate the IRS’s regulation," the court said in its ruling.

The ruling by the three-judge panel sets up a major legal showdown that conservatives believe could deal a fatal blow to President Obama’s healthcare law.

Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/212950-appeals-court-strikes-blow-against-obamacare-subsidies#ixzz38DRgoRiN
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HOPE the MANDATE gets killed.
 

rdowns

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I'll say this, we do live in interesting times.


Separate US appeals court upholds Obamacare subsidies


The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit upheld a federal regulations that implemented subsidies that are vital to President Barack Obama's healthcare overhaul, in direct conflict with another ruling on the issue handed down earlier on Tuesday.

A three-judge panel unanimously said the law was ambiguous, and that it would defer to the IRS's determination that subsidies could go to individuals who purchased health insurance on both federal and state-run exchanges.


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HOPE the MANDATE gets killed.

Did you miss the Supreme Court upholding the ACA and classifying the mandate as a tax?
 

rdowns

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hard to say, heard single payer is what other nations use, I am still interested in hearing/learning about it. the MANDATE was my only real issue with the ACA. we DID need reform, ACA IMHO was not it.

Single payer would solve many of our healthcare issues but can't happen in our current political climate.

As for the ACA, while far from perfect, it DID reform healthcare.
 

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hard to say, heard single payer is what other nations use, I am still interested in hearing/learning about it. the MANDATE was my only real issue with the ACA. we DID need reform, ACA IMHO was not it.
What else could you do? The ACA was the best compromise between the terribly broken status quo and true universal healthcare, and even it was nothing more than a bandaid on a gaping wound.
 

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People are up in arms about ACA subsidies but not the 1.5 TRILLION the pentagon is spending on a fighter jet that doesn't work.

'Murica. :rolleyes:

Building killing machines: Patriotic
Spending money to save lives: Communism, Socialism, Un-American
 

bradl

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It's hard to overstate how significant this decision is. Much bigger than Hobby Lobby.
What decision? there are conflicting decisions, that effectively cancel eachother out. So right now, we know nothing because it is in limbo.

BL.
 

tgara

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Which one, the 4th circuit or DC circuit?
DC circuit. Since it is based in the District of Columbia where Congress sits, it carries much more weight on matters of federal statutory interpretation than any of the other circuits. That said, however, since there is a circuit conflict now with CA4, there is a good chance SCOTUS will hear the case. Huge amounts of money are at stake which could cripple the ACA.
 
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What's so wrong with paying a little extra tax to ensure every US American has health insurance? I'm a college student with a full-time job that pays me $24,000/yr and I don't mind paying a little extra per year to make sure everyone can have affordable health insurance.

"Here’s what we can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride. Take all that money we spend on weapons and defense each year, and instead spend it feeding, clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would many times over, not one human being excluded, and we can explore space together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace." - Bill Hicks
 

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People are up in arms about ACA subsidies but not the 1.5 TRILLION the pentagon is spending on a fighter jet that doesn't work.

'Murica. :rolleyes:

Building killing machines: Patriotic
Spending money to save lives: Communism, Socialism, Un-American

The F35 will work. The problems will be solved. And hundreds of thousands of jobs will be kept. You know, Jobs. Something America needs.... As far as the ACA goes, it was passed to quickly. It's still a broken system and has issues. But who cares? Obamacare just sounded too cool not to pass!

Progressive.
 

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The F35 will work. The problems will be solved. And hundreds of thousands of jobs will be kept. You know, Jobs. Something America needs.... As far as the ACA goes, it was passed to quickly. It's still a broken system and has issues. But who cares? Obamacare just sounded too cool not to pass!
You just said what the F-35 has become. It's a jobs project. It's not about the fact the F-35 is a POS. It's not about we would have gotten better planes that were designed for specific roles than this do it all BS for less money, etc. It's about congressman keeping jobs in their district so they can get reelected and make the people stuffing their pockets( aka Lockheed) happy as well.

And the military officials won't say anything negative about it because if they do, that hampers their prospects for getting promoted.

The ACA is far from perfect too. Both are ****ed up. But how about we stop throwing money at troubled programs and hold companies accountable for delays, problems, etc? Lockheed is loving it right now. Develop a POS product, still making a profit off of it because the government is still pours money into the program. If Lockheed stuck with the commercial side of aviation, they would find themselves in a McDonald Douglas situation. Screw up after screw up after screw up, but Lockheed isn't close to bankruptcy/merging. Nope they are rewarded still with nice profits.
 

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It's hard to overstate how significant this decision is. Much bigger than Hobby Lobby.
Except it doesn't mean anything right now. It doesn't mean anything unless they don't appeal or this doesn't go to the SCotUS. Seriously, this will do NOTHING.

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The F35 will work. The problems will be solved. And hundreds of thousands of jobs will be kept. You know, Jobs. Something America needs.... As far as the ACA goes, it was passed to quickly. It's still a broken system and has issues. But who cares? Obamacare just sounded too cool not to pass!

Progressive.
If it's about jobs, we could get more jobs doing something as simple as spending the money on infrastructure improvement. It would also help improve the economy if we're fixing our roads and rails. >_>
 

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Except it doesn't mean anything right now. It doesn't mean anything unless they don't appeal or this doesn't go to the SCotUS. Seriously, this will do NOTHING.

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If it's about jobs, we could get more jobs doing something as simple as spending the money on infrastructure improvement. It would also help improve the economy if we're fixing our roads and rails. >_>
Agreed. Our airports look like crap. They need serious renovation. Our roads look worse, especially when we see shreds of tires littering the entire system. Our rails are a joke, our bridges need reinforcement, all of which are jobs to do, yet people want to throw more money at the military, and say that 'it creates jobs!'

We have jobs here that people need to do, who aren't willing to do it.

BL.
 

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What's so wrong with paying a little extra tax to ensure every US American has health insurance? I'm a college student with a full-time job that pays me $24,000/yr and I don't mind paying a little extra per year to make sure everyone can have affordable health insurance.
I completely agree. I am also a college student working full time and making a little less than you do.

To answer you question, nothing is wrong with it. The reason we won't see it is due in large to selfishness and ignorance.

Take this dumb S.O.B. who is the reason the court made the decision they did. This guy making 20,000 a year, could have had healthcare coverage for a total of 21 bucks a YEAR. He started moaning about how he doesn't want a "government handout," and feels he shouldn't be mandated to pay 21 dollars a year, when he can be ignorant, and go without healthcare.

This is the ignorance of America on display. This is what we are up against. It's enough to make you bang your head against the wall.
 

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DC circuit. Since it is based in the District of Columbia where Congress sits, it carries much more weight on matters of federal statutory interpretation than any of the other circuits. That said, however, since there is a circuit conflict now with CA4, there is a good chance SCOTUS will hear the case. Huge amounts of money are at stake which could cripple the ACA.
Won't it go to Federal Circuit next, which is packed with Democrats/Obama nominees?

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The F35 will work. The problems will be solved. And hundreds of thousands of jobs will be kept. You know, Jobs. Something America needs....
What, useless jobs that are paid for by our tax dollars? I thought you were against welfare...

And really, hundreds of thousands of jobs that will disappear without the F35? Got a citation?
 

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Won't it go to Federal Circuit next, which is packed with Democrats/Obama nominees?
No, wrong court. The Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit (CAFC) hears patent cases exclusively. This ain't that.

The decision today was by a 3 judge panel of the Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit (CADC). It has 11 judges and 6 senior judges, but to divide up the substantial workload, they break the work into 3 judge panels.

What can happen now is that the parties can appeal to either the full CADC (in a so-called "en banc" hearing where all the judges hear and rule on the case), or they can appeal to the Supreme Court.
 

lannister80

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No, wrong court. The Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit (CAFC) hears patent cases exclusively. This ain't that.

The decision today was by a 3 judge panel of the Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit (CADC). It has 11 judges and 6 senior judges, but to divide up the substantial workload, they break the work into 3 judge panels.

What can happen now is that the parties can appeal to either the full CADC (in a so-called "en banc" hearing where all the judges hear and rule on the case), or they can appeal to the Supreme Court.
Ah, thank you!