Crazed Democratic Congressmen Storms Perkins restaurant

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  1. squeeks macrumors 68040

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    "Thursaday evening, April 8, 2010, Democrat Congressman Alan Grayson crashed an Orange County [Florida] Republican meeting at a Perkins restaurant.


    He was waving a memo which he claimed indicated that the GOP was 'spying' on the Democrat 'Progress for America' meetings. [Progress for America is a pro-Obama, pro- socialist Democrat organization.]


    A shouting match ensued between the bombastic Democrat and Republican Party leaders. Patrons of Perkins were awed by the interchange.
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    -http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2489671/posts

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Px5hJmFLqA

    "Unanswered question: How did Alan Grayson know about this meeting? Who informed him? Was this staged?"

    http://www.teapartypatriotslive.com/2010/04/09/alan-grayson-interrupts-republican-district-meeting/

    Kinda ironic that he accused the republicans of spying when he is the one who got word of the meeting.

    These are the people we voted into office that gave us this "great" health care bill

    And you guys think the Tea Partiers are nuts :eek: :rolleyes:

    This is also the same congressman that has his own loving fan site

    http://www.mycongressmanisnuts.com/
     
  2. IntheNet macrumors regular

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    Grayson really brings the stupid... The Orlando Sentinel is even encouraging a forum to draft freshmen to run against him!

    Come to Celebration and cast your straw vote against Grayson
     
  3. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    Ok, the guy may be crazy, but has anyone looked into if the Republicans are spying on those meetings? They kind of have a history of doing that sort of thing. It certainly isn't out of the realm of possibility (sad commentary on the GOP).

    Watergate? The ACORN guy? Wiretapping?
     
  4. Raid macrumors 68020

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    I for one, think all conspiracy theorists who lack proof and make wild and crazy accusations should be thrown out of office... but that would probably destroy the Republican party. ;)
     
  5. hulugu macrumors 68000

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    I'm not seeing the downside here.
     
  6. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    So, the republicans were trying to hold a meeting, and he stood up and demanded their attention and that they answer his questions, and he's called crazy?

    Sounds like he took a page out of the tea-party express town-hall meeting playbook.
     
  7. IntheNet macrumors regular

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    Don't think so... seems like Grayson was picking a fight with Orange County Republicans who were meeting in a family restaurant, when Grayson barged in:

    From Tea Party Patriots Live:

    On Thursday, April 8th, 2010, Congressman Alan Grayson, Democrat in Florida’s 8th district, interrupted a district meeting of the local Orange County Republican Executive Committee. The meeting was being held at Perkins, a family restaurant. …Matthew Falconer, candidate for Orange County Mayor, quickly challenged Alan’s rudeness. Grayson demanded not to be interrupted, but Falconer quickly reminded the congressman that he is in fact interrupting their meeting.
     
  8. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    And, when people went to town hall meetings to have a discussion with their elected officials and try to learn about health care reform, the tea party f-nuts did everything they could to interrupt, be rude, and otherwise disrupt the town halls.

    Apples to apples.

    (edit) Why is Perkins being called a "family" restaurant over and over. Are there non-family restaurants?
     
  9. Raid macrumors 68020

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    Still two wrongs don't make a right, and an eye for any eye leaves you both blinded and all that.
     
  10. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    And I agree, and have said this guy was crazy. I find it funny that when I compare his craziness to the tea-party, town-hall crazies, they are defended as though their behavior was perfectly acceptable.

    I have no problem saying this guy's behavior was wrong because my standards of behavior aren't determined by what party someone belongs to.
     
  11. IntheNet macrumors regular

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    Wait... you're comparing public meetings between constituents and elected officials as anywhere near comparable as a local political party meeting in a restaurant? Hardly comparable in the sense you raise...

    Company name =>

    Perkins Family Restaurants, L.P.
    http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/Perkins-Family-Restaurants-LP-Company-History.html
     
  12. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    Aren't those meetings open meetings? Isn't Perkins Family restaurant a public place?

    However, you and those on the right have said, "Perkins, a family restaurant" not "Perkins Family Restaurant." I guarantee you that is intentional considering the underlying facts.
     
  13. IntheNet macrumors regular

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    From the reports on-line, I've read several, the Democrat representative wasn't there to eat but instead wanted to challenge those Republicans that were meeting there, to eat, and have a meeting with local republicans. Sort of out of line for a Congressional Representative to crash a local party meeting and do so in a crazed way...
     
  14. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    I would agree that his behavior was out of line, but no worse than the behavior of the tea-party radicals that tried to disrupt the town hall meetings.

    No more or less out of line, both behaviors were wrong. Agree?
     
  15. hulugu macrumors 68000

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    I agree and was thinking the same thing. A Perkins is a just another TGIF or Shenanigans, but calling it a "family restaurant" creates an image of women and children cowering at the rep's fusillade.
     
  16. IntheNet macrumors regular

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    I do agree that behavior such as Grayson exhibited is way out of line, particularly for a Congressional Representative. Moreover those that you point to whose sole effort is to "disrupt" Town Meetings is also out of line. That said, many Town Meetings that became out-of-hand did not get that way due to Tea Party folks/or constituents being disruptive; I've seen some of the videos and recall several of the local Town Meetings I attended. Some of these became disruptive due other elements; i.e., not the action of the Tea Party attendees or constituents themselves (several SEUI union thugs attending, for example). Lastly, there were town hall meetings that got out of hand due to radicals, Tea Party participants and others, so I am not denying that. Your post, however, seems to hold them exclusively to blame. One of the Town Hall meetings I attended in 2009, for example, got out of hand because our local representative, a Democrat, pre-filled most of the room (and extremely small conf. room) with Democrat Party faithful so he wouldn't get asked difficult questions! That type of thing got little coverage but happened quite a lot...

    You seem to be splitting hairs here.... How about => It wasn' t Hooters! How's that for descriptive reference?
     
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    This is typical of the manipulation of the truth that the consumers of the whinging and bile passed off as some sort of journalism apparently fall for hook,line and sinker.
     
  18. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    Hooters is a family restaurant. Kids can eat there.

    Perkins is no more or less family friendly. Their waitresses wear more clothes, aren't as good looking, and I don't think they serve alcohol, but it serves food too to anyone who comes.

    Was the "family restaurant" description related to "family values" or "family style dining?" My guess is the former more than the latter, although it's more of a buffet than family style dining.
     
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    Given the GOP's recent track record, I'm surprised this meeting wasn't at Hooters.
     
  20. IntheNet macrumors regular

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    Despite their name; i.e., Perkins Family Restaurants, L.P.!

    Is your intent here to make apology for Grayson's crazed behavior and reckless antagonism of Republican party faithful at a restaurant in Florida by drawing a distinction over whether it caters to families?
     
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    While his behavior is indeed inappropriate, your attempt to make the man sound like a crazed lunatic is laughable. Was he foaming at the mouth too?:rolleyes:
     
  22. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    Don't be ridiculous. Hooter's doesn't have poles.
     
  23. Peterkro macrumors 68020

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    Is it your intention to dodge the question by robotically repeating the extremist line and not deviating from it or listening to any criticism no matter how valid or accurate.
     
  24. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    Do you really not understand? The pieces on Grayson's behavior posted on right wing blogs and websites all refer to Perkins, a family restaurant.

    What do Republicans love to claim they support?

    Family values.

    Referring to Perkins Family Restaurant as Perkins, a family restaurant, is either a propaganda technique, or a silly mistake.

    Forgive me for being a aware of the types of tactics those on the right have used in the past. Like I said, this may be a silly error, but I really doubt it.
     
  25. Gelfin macrumors 68020

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    "Family restaurant" is a market positioning term. It suggests a relaxing of the social awkwardness that often surrounds taking young children to a restaurant. In order to enable this, the customer cannot ever feel like the restaurant is better than they, so there's a certain Wal-Mart-ification, leading to an intentional lower-middle-class sort of atmosphere. Thus they are never what you'd call a "nice" restaurant. They're more the bottom rung of restaurants where the menu doesn't hang on the wall. If stuck in suburban hell, you might take a casual date to TGIF or Applebee's in a pinch, but never to Perkins or Shoney's. Family restaurants generally do not serve any alcohol of any kind.

    However, I tend to agree that repetition of that description in news reports might be a loaded use meant to aggravate the reader's perception of the situation by implying an ill-defined threat to children.

    As far as bizarre behavior from Congressmen, I continue to marvel that this surprises anyone, ever. The smaller size of districts in the lower house enables the election of much more colorful provincial characters. Stunning displays of ignorance and questionable sanity are easy to find on both sides of the aisle. One expects the Senate to be a little more reserved, but Congress has always been a bit wild and woolly.
     

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