Cruz..are people voting for a Canadian?

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  1. thewap macrumors demi-god

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    Looking at what is on the record vs Cruz's and MSM claims, the timeline suggests that Ted Cruz is still a Canadian national. Here is an interesting timeline concerning Cruz's eligibility to run as president of the United States.

    Cruz's father:
    1957 - After working as a teen to help Fidel Castro gain power in Cuba, and being imprisoned for his actions by the Batista regime, Cuban Rafael Cruz applies for admittance to the University of Te'as as a foreign student and enters the US on a four year student visa to attend four years of college. He is a Cuban citizen attending a US college on a foreign student visa obtained through the US Consulate in Havana.

    1961-1962 - After graduating college at the University of Texas, and upon the expiration of his foreign student visa, Cruz Sr. applied for and received "political asylum" and was issued a "green card."

    1964-1966 - Cruz Sr. takes a few odd jobs, marries and moves to Canada to work in the oil fields. The Cruz family resides in Canada for the next eight years. “I worked in Canada for eight years,” Rafael Cruz says. “And while I was in Canada, I became a Canadian citizen.”

    1970 - Ted Cruz is born in Canada, to two parents who had lived in Canada for at least four years at that time, and had applied for and received Canadian citizenship under Canadian Immigration and Naturalization Laws, as stated by Rafael Cruz. As a result, US statutes would have voided the prior "green card" status which requires among other things, permanent residency within the United States and obviously, not becoming a citizen of another country during the time frame of the US green card.

    1974 - The Cruz family moves to the United States when Ted is approximately four years old. Rafael Cruz has publicly stated that he remained a citizen of Canada until he renounced his Canadian citizenship when he applied for and became a US Naturalized citizen in 2005. As a result, his wife and son were also Canadian citizens, his son being born a citizen of Canada in 1970.

    2005 - Rafael Cruz applies for legal US citizenship and renounces his Canadian citizenship. No record of Ted renouncing his Canadian citizenship or applying for US citizenship exists as of 2005.

    2013 - Freshman Senator Ted Cruz is a rising star in the Tea Party movement, and calls for him to run for the White House begin. In July, Ted Cruz is Questioned by the press about his interest in running for President, and the issue of his Canadian born citizenship is brought up Sen. Ted Cruz rejected questions Sunday over his eligibility to be president, saying that although he was born in Canada “the facts are clear” that he is a US citizen.
    “My mother was born in Wilmington, Delaware. She is a US. citizen, so I'm a US citizen by birth,” Cruz told A&C. “I'm not going to engage in a legal debate.”

    NOTE: Senator Cruz omits the part the part about his parents applying for and receiving Canadian citizenship prior to Ted's birth in Calgary. He also attempts to gloss past the actual definition of natural)born Citizen by implying it is a mere legal debate for others to figure out.

    August 2013 - As Ted's political stock rises in the Tea Party, so do press questions about his eligibility for office. Ted decides to quiet the questions by releasing his birth certificate, which now becomes absolute proof of Ted's Canadian citizenship at birth, 1970, Calgary, Canada. The release of the Canadian birth records only serve to further fuel the controversy.

    “He's a Canadian,” said Toronto lawyer Stephen Green, past chairman of the Canadian Bar Association's Citizenship and Immigration Section.
    “Generally speaking, under the Citizenship Act of 1947, those born in Canada were automatically citizens at birth unless their parent was a foreign diplomat, ”said ministry spokeswoman Julie Lafortune.

    May 2014 - Ted Cruz legal counsel files to renounce Ted's Canadian citizenship in an effort to make him eligible to run for high office under the natural born Citizen clause Article II in the US Constitution.

    News that he had renounced his citizenship was first reported by the Dallas Morning News. The newspaper also bro$e that Cruz had dual Canadian) US citizenship when he released his birth certificate in August.

    Frazier said Cruz “he is pleased to have the process finalized” and that it “makes sense he should be only an American citizen.”- of course, the Constitution does not require that one be only an American citizen, but rather a natural born Citizen.

    As of February 4, 2015 - No evidence of any US Citizenship has been released to confirm anything at all about the true citizenship status of Ted Cruz.

    Because Ted Cruz has been confirmed a legal citizen of Canada up until renouncing his Canadian citizenship in May of 2014, and because he has been confirmed a citizen of Canada at birth, and because his father is on public record stating that he and his wife became citizens of Canada during their eight years living in Canada and because Rafael Cruz remained a citizen of Canada until he renounced and applied for legal US citizenship in 2005. There is simply NO WAY that Ted Cruz was, is or ever can be a Natural Born Citizen of the United States eligible for the offices of President or Vice President.

    http://politicalconundrum.lefora.co...hTeds-mom-renounced-citizenship-Ted-born-Cruz
     
  2. APlotdevice macrumors 68040

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    It doesn't matter. He's white-ish and conservative, therefor infinitely more AMERICAN than the black man born on some far off island in the Pacific that just happens to be the 50th state.
     
  3. cfedu macrumors 65816

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    He would not have been able to renounce his Canadian citizenship unless he had another citizenship as the Canadian Government would not leave someone stateless.
     
  4. thewap thread starter macrumors demi-god

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    Renouncing citizenship does not imply *natural born*. There is no evidence as of yet if his *renouncement* was accepted, nor are there naturalization documents available to date - therefore is he still Canadian?.

    Many people confuse naturalization vs. natural born, where it explicitly states in the constitution a *natural born* being the requirement to become president. If born abroad, subject would have to be born on US soil equivalent - -embassy, army base etc.., otherwise being born by US citizenship parents only if abroad would be under being *naturalized* which does not meet the presidential requirement.

    Since Cruz's father was born in Cuba, and mother renounced US citizenship and became Canadian, and Cruz was born in Canada, this in all logic does not meet the presidential criteria.
     
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    only a commie dictator would sign indefinite detention w/o trial into law.
     
  6. cfedu macrumors 65816

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    All good points, the courts will have to figure this out. All we know for sure is that he is/was Canadian
     
  7. thewap thread starter macrumors demi-god

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    Problem is the courts will not hear the case and refer back to congress -

    A convenient *catch 22* where congress will not decide, so it becomes a legal matter for the courts, and the courts will not hear, saying it is a congress matter to decide.
     
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    Well then one way or another, Republicans are going to vote for the next dictator. Trump, Cruz, and Rubio are all pushing to keep Guantanamo open.
     
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    This as well as that Ted Cruz's mother was born in the US, I notice that the OP doesn't include much information about her. As long as she was a US citizen at the time of his birth then Ted Cruz is also a US citizen since birth. He had dual citizenship, and gave up the Canadian citizenship recently (although there is nothing that would have even required that it was just for political purposes).

    Ted Cruz is a despicable person, and shouldn't be president, but he is eligible to run based off of the requirements listed in the constitution.
     
  10. thewap thread starter macrumors demi-god

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    There is not much info about the mother. But she did renounce US citizenship before Cruz was born - chapter 1970. She was a Canadian.

    As i mentioned before, the requirement for presidency is not *citizenship*.
     
  11. bent christian, Mar 10, 2016
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    No, this is incorrect. A child born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent is a natural-born citizen. There is no naturalization process to be done. Yes, documentation needs to be made by the state department, but this is to document, to verify, that the child is a citizen from birth (a natural-born citizen). From the State Dept.:

    "The child’s parents should contact the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate to apply for a Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America (CRBA) to document that the child is a U.S. citizen."
    https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/abroad/events-and-records/birth.html


    A person is either natural-born, or naturalized. These are the only two states of citizenship that exist as far as the Constitution is concerned.

    Cruz has was a citizen from birth, a natural-born citizen, through his mother. There is nothing to litigate here.
     
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    Is there any proof this was done? If this was not done and they just drove back to the USA after 8 years, things could become more complicated.
     
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    It is that you are a natural born citizen, which while a bit of a vague term is generally regarded as being a US citizen from birth, which Cruz was. Going after Cruz for this is just as stupid as going after Obama. The one good thing about these conspiracy theories is that it shows that maybe the ones about Obama were more driven by mental illness rather than the overt racism that it appeared to be.
     
  14. thewap thread starter macrumors demi-god

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    There is a difference between conspiracy theory and fact. The article presents facts up to date. Labelling relevant questions as *conspiracy theory* (that old Bush slogan to stop all enquiry) does not make relevant argument.

    There is no vagueness between natural born and naturalization, these are two distinct states of citizenship.

    This is not about Obama, this thread is about Cruz. Thank you.
     
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    The citizenship is a right of birth to the child through the parent. It is not a naturalization process. Things could become more complicated to prove, but if a child is born to a least one parent who is a U.S. citizen, that child is a natural-born citizen. End of story. Paperwork being sorted out after the fact is irrelevant. Four, five, eight years later - the child was still a citizen from birth. Parents are simply catching up on documentation. The documentation and the birth right are not connected in this way. The birth right has always existed independently of paperwork being filled out.
     
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    I say we let this one slide. Remember there was that whole Barack Obama's mom being from Kenya and nobody wanted to hear it? I don't wanna hear Cruz might be Canadian. It's not true. Whoever is spreading these lies is taking us away from the main point of the debates. Let's stay on point so we can elect the next great Republican leader.
     
  17. thewap, Mar 10, 2016
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    Incorrect. Birth certs of children born of US parents abroad are *naturalization birth certs* (such as my wife's)
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    prove it's a lie. Let's see Cruz's US issued naturalized US birth cert- which if he has would not make him *natural born* if born in Canada outside of US territorial establishments - US base, embassy, consulate etc.
     
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    Your wife was a citizen from birth if she has at least one U.S. citizen parent. She is a natural-born citizen in this case. I can't comment on the particulars of what your wife's BC is labeled as. She did not got through a naturalization process to become a citizen if at least one of her parents was a U.S. citizen at the time of her birth. She gained citizenship as a right. Documentation does not affect this. According to the State Dept., no birth certificate is necessary for citizens born abroad:

    "According to U.S. law, a CRBA is proof of U.S. citizenship and may be used to obtain a U.S. passport and register for school, among other purposes."
    https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/abroad/events-and-records/birth.html

    There is no statue of limitations on obtaining the Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America, time just makes proving things more difficult.

    "Parents of a child born abroad to a U.S. citizen or citizens should apply for a CRBA and/or a U.S. passport for the child as soon as possible. Failure to promptly document a child who meets the statutory requirements for acquiring U.S. citizenship at birth may cause problems for the parents and the child when attempting to establish the child’s U.S. citizenship and eligibility for the rights and benefits of U.S. citizenship, including entry into the United States. By law, U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States."
    https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/abroad/events-and-records/birth.html
     
  19. cfedu macrumors 65816

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    Ok, but I would think that IF his mother did renounce her citizenship, that may complicate things. Thewap has made some claims that if true could possibly complicate things.

     
  20. thewap thread starter macrumors demi-god

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    Wife's both parents US citizen, she born abroad on foreign soil, Birth cert is certificate of birth through naturalization.

    Me - born abroad on US territorial facility, both parents US citizens, US birth certificate - natural born.

    See the difference?
     
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    @thewap makes unsubstantiated claims all the time. As the resident 911 Truther, we expect this from him.
     
  22. thewap thread starter macrumors demi-god

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    Typical response from ignorance resorting to labelling.
     
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    No, you are both natural-born citizens. You were both citizens from birth. Maybe you need to look up the definition of "birth right".
     
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    Didn't FDR do this to the Japanese during World War II (He did btw so don't bother arguing the point)? I suppose the historical hero of the left was a commie dictator. Personally I don't think he was but according to jkcerda he must have been.

    Isn't learning fun? Thanks jkcerda
     
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