Dallas restaurant says it got death threats for pro-gun control message

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  1. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    Wow. “Reasonable and effective” is too radical for the right wing and/or the NRA in Texas.

    See why we call them gun nuts?
     
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    While they go around shouting about how the second amendment is part of the constitution, they seem to conveniently forget about the first one..
     
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    Just more "responsible gun owners" threatening to shoot places up.
     
  4. Vanilla Ice macrumors 6502

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    sure, there are unfortunately nutty people that have guns in the world we live in. But this threat doesn’t speak for everyone that are responsible.
     
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    Maybe we should have a discussion how to keep guns out of the hands of those prone to make phone calls threatening to use their gun in an illegal manner when someone mentions reasonable and effective gun regulations? :)
     
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    I hope they get cought and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
     
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    It doesn’t speak for all gun owners, but it does speak for those who still support the NRA.
     
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    Then make sure the nutty ones cannot get guns, which is what most people for gun control ask.
     
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    Did they report these threats to the police or just to BuzzFeed?
     
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    I don’t think reasonable and effective is too radical for anyone. A lot of the proposed solutions are not backed by statistical facts. Add in doubt of others intentions and that lack of trust leads us to where we are today.

    When the Parkland shooting had a complete breakdown of law enforcement and the solution is to raise age of ownership, ban “assault style weapons” (whatever that means), and then blame the NRA for the shooting, how can there be trust? None of the above seem reasonable and effective to me.
     
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    1A protects you from the government, not from other people. As loathsome as that kind of behavior is, no one is protected from the consequences of making a statement – at least, the consequences that are not illegal.
     
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    As great as it sounds, there is a real issue with achieving this, because it’s the loss of privacy, and inconvienence that the gun lobby fights tooth and nail against. The very thing that needs to happen regular psychological screening for all gun owners will never be voluntarily agreed to by the NRA.
     
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    I'm all for free speech. And I'm also all for reasonable and effective gun control. But I'm not sure printing a message like that on the receipts from your restaurant was a good idea.

    It seems pretty much inevitable that its going to stir up trouble. At the very least, its going to piss off some otherwise good customers, And in today's hyper-partisan world, with social media and all the rest, something like this was bound to happen. No - making death threats is still a crime, but you gotta sorta expect that.

    Did printing the message do any good? Did it inspire some patrons to make similar donations? Did it make anyone reconsider their position on guns? Almost certainly not.

    If you are a business owner with strong political views, make your contribution to a gun control organization on your own. But don't rub your customers' noses in it.
     
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    Agreed. Given the volatility of gun control, whatever statement you make is pretty much guaranteed to tick off 50% people. And as a business owner doing that seems rather stupid.

    As for the threats, I hope the people who made them are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
     
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    You can be a socialist and shoot up republicans playing baseball. Does that mean the supporters of the party and its leaders support the shooting? Does the shooter speak for them?
     
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    No, actually, it doesn't. I'm an NRA member and I don't condone making threats against someone. I haven't polled anyone but I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels the same way.
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    They've gone beyond "reasonable and effective" and straight to profanity and unreasonable (by my estimation) salutations.

    https://twitter.com/NRA/status/993229636908802049/photo/1
     
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    Then if you don’t condone it should those people who made the threats have their guns taken away from them?
     
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    Not without due process.
     
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    So if it’s proven who the message came from you’re happy with them losing their right to own guns?
     
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    "The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic." -- attributed to Stalin
     
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    If they're convicted of a felony I'm okay with it but the idea of anybody losing a constitutionally-protected right for any reason would not make me "happy."
     
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    I’m not sure if making threats like that is currently a felony, but am I safe to assume that you think it should be?
     
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    I'm not sure whether anonymously calling and making a death thread is a felony or not. What was said? How credible is the threat?

    If someone goes into the restaurant and starts shooting at nothing in particular, I imagine that's a felony and probably should be. I don't think an empty threat where someone is talking smack because he's being antagonistic is or should be a felony. I also don't know exactly where these "death threats" fall on the spectrum in between, but as I pointed out previously I don't think making threats is okay. Maybe the police should look into these threats and file charges as they see fit. Maybe they've already decided not to because they don't think there's anything to them.

    We do have laws in place that require convicted felons not to own guns and I stand by them.
     
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    But the Parkland shooter had made threats but it wasn't a felony so he was allowed to keep his guns.

    It's really hard to make judgement calls on when a threat is serious, so in the interest of saving lives, shouldn't we err on the side of taking away guns if there are any doubts?
     
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    Which is kind of funny because if you speak out against what Ellen's did, you get death threats from the left.

    I guess both sides are ******* bullies.....
     

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